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[eruntalon]

I realize that most of the posters here do not consider FPTRR to be canon (for no small reason, to be sure), but let's speculate for a moment. If the powers that be came out and said that FPTRR was canon (for whatever reason), but gave no indication of how it fit into the timeline, where would it most likely fall? I haven't played it all the way through, so I can't comment. Is there anything in the game that hints at a potential placement? Is Tingle immortal as long as he has rupees? In that case, wouldn't it go before OoT so he could be present in both timelines? Or am I mistaken in thinking this? I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts (or at least the thoughts of those who played it).

P.S.: On an unrelated note, does anyone here know if Impossible plans to update his awesome timeline document? I realize that ST's placement was basically given to us, but I'd still like to hear his thoughts on it.

Edited by eruntalon, 13 March 2010 - 02:33 PM.

[ganonlord6000]

I realize that most of the posters here do not consider FPTRR to be canon (for no small reason, to be sure), but let's speculate for a moment. If the powers that be came out and said that FPTRR was canon (for whatever reason), but gave no indication of how it fit into the timeline, where would it most likely fall? I haven't played it all the way through, so I can't comment. Is there anything in the game that hints at a potential placement? Is Tingle immortal as long as he has rupees? In that case, wouldn't it go before OoT so he could be present in both timelines? Or am I mistaken in thinking this? I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts (or at least the thoughts of those who played it).

P.S.: On an unrelated note, does anyone here know if Impossible plans to update his awesome timeline document? I realize that ST's placement was basically given to us, but I'd still like to hear his thoughts on it.

It would have to go before all of the games.

[Showsni]

It can actually form a useful bridge between The Wind Waker and anything with a new Hyrule, geography wise. Not that I personally set much store on geography... But it features several large islands seperated by only small channels of water, and includes a Great Deku Tree. Hence it could be used to argue for the Great Deku Tree's plan of joining the islands up.

It also gives a reason why Tingle can be a recurring character (each Tingle is a normal person transformed by Uncle Rupee), and why some Tingles can be greedy and almost evil (a la TWW and maybe FSA).

[Pinecove]

It would have to go before all of the games.

Wrong on so many acounts.

If FPTRRL is Canon then it comes after TWW. Proven by geography and the fact that Mount Desma used to be called Death mountain.

[eruntalon]

Not to nitpick, but couldn't it be before TWW but after the flood? I always had a gut feeling that FPTRR was around the time of TWW, since the other TBF is placed there by the presence of certain landmarks. But that was just a gut feeling with nothing to really back it up. Is there anything to indicate that there are other Tingles? Obviously, there are other people converted to fairy-like creatures by Uncle Rupee, but are any of them exactly like Tingle? It just seems weird to have an origin story for Tingle that takes place after we see Tingle in TWW. Of course, with all the reincarnating that goes on in the Zelda series, this really shouldn't bother me, but it does.

EDIT: Never mind. I haven't paid attention to Zelda-related releases in almost a year, and it turns out there's another Tingle game with yet another origin story, only one that has to take place in the far future of either timeline, since televisions are present. I haven't even seen gameplay footage, so I don't know which timeline (if either) is indicated by the game itself, but this is more than enough evidence for me of multiple Tingles.

Edited by eruntalon, 13 March 2010 - 07:39 PM.

[Pinecove]

Not to nitpick, but couldn't it be before TWW but after the flood?

No, because the land is closer together in FPTRRL then it is in TWW. Also civilization has actually started.

[eruntalon]

Not to nitpick, but couldn't it be before TWW but after the flood?

No, because the land is closer together in FPTRRL then it is in TWW. Also civilization has actually started.

That's a pretty good point. So, if the Deku Tree's plan has succeeded in linking the land that closely together, then it has to be... what, several hundred years after the Wind Waker? The point is, it would be after ST, which is only a century after PH (right?). Even though he's a magical being and Ganon's evil is no longer thwarting his plans, that's still a LOT of water for the Deku Tree to pave over (a process I've never really understood; is he making the roots of the plants grow together so thickly that they can act as a stable flooring?).

Alternatively, couldn't FPTRR be in the future of the CT, after all the games that feature Death Mountain? While the flood is a good reason for Death Mountain to have a new name, what with the loss of knowledge from past civilization, that point is negated by the fact that the locals actually know what it used to be called. This would imply that the name changed as a simple matter of cultural progression, and that could apply to either timeline. As for the geography... well, after FSA, I stopped putting too much stock in the geography unless there's really no other form of evidence.

Edited by eruntalon, 14 March 2010 - 01:33 AM.

[Pinecove]

That's a pretty good point. So, if the Deku Tree's plan has succeeded in linking the land that closely together, then it has to be... what, several hundred years after the Wind Waker? The point is, it would be after ST, which is only a century after PH (right?). Even though he's a magical being and Ganon's evil is no longer thwarting his plans, that's still a LOT of water for the Deku Tree to pave over (a process I've never really understood; is he making the roots of the plants grow together so thickly that they can act as a stable flooring?).

He's growing land between the islands which in turn is pulling them closer together. These things happen in real life albiet on a much smaller scale. They're called "Tree islands".

And yes I suppose it would be after ST.

Alternatively, couldn't FPTRR be in the future of the CT, after all the games that feature Death Mountain?

So what, Hyrule all of a sudden turns into a watery wasteland with a bunch of islands?

[ganonlord6000]

Not to nitpick, but couldn't it be before TWW but after the flood? I always had a gut feeling that FPTRR was around the time of TWW, since the other TBF is placed there by the presence of certain landmarks. But that was just a gut feeling with nothing to really back it up. Is there anything to indicate that there are other Tingles? Obviously, there are other people converted to fairy-like creatures by Uncle Rupee, but are any of them exactly like Tingle? It just seems weird to have an origin story for Tingle that takes place after we see Tingle in TWW. Of course, with all the reincarnating that goes on in the Zelda series, this really shouldn't bother me, but it does.

EDIT: Never mind. I haven't paid attention to Zelda-related releases in almost a year, and it turns out there's another Tingle game with yet another origin story, only one that has to take place in the far future of either timeline, since televisions are present. I haven't even seen gameplay footage, so I don't know which timeline (if either) is indicated by the game itself, but this is more than enough evidence for me of multiple Tingles.

Possibly. How many are there?! Isn't one tingle enough? I think he's a waste of a character except TWW.

[Pinecove]

Possibly. How many are there?! Isn't one tingle enough? I think he's a waste of a character except TWW.

FPTRRL states that uncle rupee turns people into Tingle. There could have been hundreds for all we know.
As for the new game I have no idea.

Point is, that even though FPTRRL comes after TWW, that doesn't mean Tingle can't exist before then.

[MikePetersSucks]

It takes place after Majora's Mask in Termina.

[ganonlord6000]

It takes place after Majora's Mask in Termina.

It's better off if Termina got him. Either that or throw him into the Gerudo Desert. We can only hope.

[Impossible]

P.S.: On an unrelated note, does anyone here know if Impossible plans to update his awesome timeline document? I realize that ST's placement was basically given to us, but I'd still like to hear his thoughts on it.

I had a minor pre-ST update planned to fix some things that really badly needed to be updated... But whenever I spend a bit of time away from timeline theorising, I tend to forget all the parts I really wanted to update before. I do keep a list (and far too many assorted notes and text files with stuff spread across them), but the details aren't fresh in my mind. And I just couldn't find the time or motivation to devote to doing it before ST came out. I really needed to finalise some things prior to the changes ST made, though, and I might still try to make some kind of pre-ST version if I ever feel like going back to it, as well as making the major changes and rewording that are required by the knowledge of a new Hyrule.

I've probably posted my thoughts on ST around here, though not since it actually came out. The game itself didn't add much that was relevant beyond what we already knew, anyway. The story pretty much disappears for quite a big chunk of the game.

At least ST proved how utterly stupid, contradictory and nonsensical the Deku Tree theory was.