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[ganonlord6000]

Oracles:

This has been confusing me for a while. I am leaning towards either after TP or between LA and LOZ.

First off, which Ganon was ressurrected? From appearance, it looks like FSA/ALTTP Ganon. Or even LOZ's Ganon. But Twinrova is a problem. As far as we know, twinrova was never affiliated with FSA Ganon. If she was, she would have been in FSA. She only served OOT Ganon.

2. The triforce. In this game, the triforce is whole. We know it is whole after ALTTP and AOL, and has to be whole between TP and ALTTP.

When Nintendo made FSA, it basically screwed with the Ganons by introducing who is undoubtably ALTTP's Ganon and showing it's a new one.

Most evidence favors a post ALTTP placement, but I'll leave that up to you.

The manga:
I've recently been reading some of the Zelda manga (the newer ones). They are pretty interesting. While reading a few, there is absolutely no reason for them not to be canon. The only one I don't think should be canon is the manga for TMC. The manga could be considered canon for older games because the stories aren't tampered with too much. The ALTTP one could have some canon value, or total canon value because the story is the same as the game(except for a new character. And why is the ALTTP game the ONLY time Link was the one who killed Ganon(unles he killed him in the old ALTTP manga)?). It even tells us how long ago the IW was (400 years).
What do the rest of you think regarding the canon value of the manga.

[Person]

There are problems with making the manga canon. For one, the ALttP manga contradicts the game on several points, and is actually the second manga adaptation of that game. Third if we count the Nintendo Power comic.

[GuardianNinja]

Can you make it so I can only vote on one poll, cause I dont believe in the timeline.

[Fin]

Unless there's some statement to show us that the manga reflects Nintendo's intent, I'll treat them just as they are - adaptations.

As to the Oracles question, I try not to overanalyse the details of the plot in relation to post-2001 intent. There isn't any evidence to suggest that its original position on the timeline has been retconned, so I think it's more useful to try to connect it to the first six games. This pretty much gives us a post-LttP or post-AoL placement, with a possibility of pre-LA if you swing that way.

I prefer post-AoL, which puts OoX right at the end of my timeline, and I don't believe there's enough hard evidence for the LA connection, which is mostly conjectured from incidental details.

[MikePetersSucks]

Why in the fuck do people keep trying to make the manga canonical? They all horribly contradict the games and don't even match up to each other in any feasible way. It's like trying to take the non-canonical .hack manga like .hack//xxxx and .hack//GU+ and trying to lead them into each other.

[Smertios]

I don't really see how the mangas can be canon. Nintendo has made several versions to each game's story (manga, the BS games, images in players' guides, the cartoon, S&D etc). If we decided that all of them are canon in the same timeline, we'll have a lot of things happening in several different ways. Plus, IIRC, the LttP timeline had some differences to the actual game (for example, teh fact that all maiden crystals are found in the same place). In that case, the actual story would feature parts from the game and parts from the manga? It's really hard to believe that that has ever been intended...

About OoX, I have the feeling the only possible placements for it are after LoZ/AoL or after LttP/LA. Back when OoX was released these two were the only times Ganon would have been killed. IMO, a post-LttP/La placement makes more sense, considering a few things like the trident...

[Erimgard]

I've never read the OoX Manga, but the OoT one had a ton of contradictions.

[MikePetersSucks]

And don't get me started on the Minish Cap and Four Sword mangas. They're not even canonical to each other.

[Perry_]

I never really felt FSA Ganon was a completely different Ganon, I always thought of him as a devilish/piggish resurrection of Ganondorf after he died in TP. This idea that they are both same can be supported by various quotes from the Gerudo in FSA who explain the Ganon was once Ganondorf, a Gerudo.

On the topic of Oracle placement it would seem that these games fit best after LA. This Ganon is dead (from Alttp) and is in possession of the trident. Also remember that The Hero of Oracles (as dubbed by Din) to our knowledge is not part of any other game, the Oracle games can't be sequels to most Zelda titles, as Link does not know Zelda at the start of the Oracle series. Back on topic though the only evidence we really have for placing the Oracles after LA and before LoZ is his Trident but also something that most Zelda fans forget, Link visits Hyrule Castle and not North Castle.

However these games could quite easily fit after AoL as well as Hyrule Castle was probably a generic name given and LoZ BS (depending whether you consider this valid evidence or not) has a Trident. It's just those two small pieces of information make it lean slightly closer to coming after LA and before LoZ.

Also the Manga should solely be considered as an adaptation that Nintendo found to be very good. The various quotes people draw out saying Manga is canon, "look what Miyamoto said" are likely more about Nintendo's appreciation for a decent adaptation and to sell more copies of the Manga for their own profit.

Edited by Perry_, 01 March 2010 - 06:37 AM.

[MikePetersSucks]

I never really felt FSA Ganon was a completely different Ganon, I always thought of him as a devilish/piggish resurrection of Ganondorf after he died in TP. This idea that they are both same can be supported by various quotes from the Gerudo in FSA who explain the Ganon was once Ganondorf, a Gerudo.

I didn't realize anyone was talking about Ganon.

[Perry_]

I never really felt FSA Ganon was a completely different Ganon, I always thought of him as a devilish/piggish resurrection of Ganondorf after he died in TP. This idea that they are both same can be supported by various quotes from the Gerudo in FSA who explain the Ganon was once Ganondorf, a Gerudo.

I didn't realize anyone was talking about Ganon.

It was in response to this:

When Nintendo made FSA, it basically screwed with the Ganons by introducing who is undoubtably ALTTP's Ganon and showing it's a new one.

Most evidence favors a post ALTTP placement, but I'll leave that up to you.

All depends on your idea of what makes it a "new" Ganon.

[ganonlord6000]

I never really felt FSA Ganon was a completely different Ganon, I always thought of him as a devilish/piggish resurrection of Ganondorf after he died in TP. This idea that they are both same can be supported by various quotes from the Gerudo in FSA who explain the Ganon was once Ganondorf, a Gerudo.

I didn't realize anyone was talking about Ganon.

It was in response to this:

When Nintendo made FSA, it basically screwed with the Ganons by introducing who is undoubtably ALTTP's Ganon and showing it's a new one.

Most evidence favors a post ALTTP placement, but I'll leave that up to you.

All depends on your idea of what makes it a "new" Ganon.

FSA makes this quite clear. FSA shows us the origins of a second Ganon, the one with the trident. Now back on topic. I just read an interview which said that the OOT manga is canon. There is a link to this on this site.