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[Hero of Winds]

Well, once we're on that road, why not just say "Ganon" is Hylian for "Demon," "Link" is Hylian for "Hero," and give up altogether?

And it doesn't make sense for TMC AND FS/FSA to take place before Oot. You need to Give a little time before Vaati gets released.

Except if you put FS/FSA after OoT/MM/TWW then that means the Four Sword, with the rest of Hyrule, was wiped out in TWW's ending.

Plus, in order to put the Oracle games between FSA and OoT, Ganon needs to be dead. Ganon was sealed in the Four Sword at the end of FSA.

[Kairu Hakubi]

One thing it fails to account for is Ganons that lack tridents...
>< this is really making me want to consider miyamoto and non-miyamoto canons here..
I'm more inclined to believe that Ganon is Ganon, same guy, and all his human forms have been the same guy as well.. just reincarnations, revivals, and disguises, because OoT Ganondorf -clearly- used the power of the triforce of power (and nothing else noticeable) to transform.
Maybe he was ganon all along, but i don't think ganondorf was a separate guy or anything.

[SOAP]

Except if you put FS/FSA after OoT/MM/TWW then that means the Four Sword, with the rest of Hyrule, was wiped out in TWW's ending.

Plus, in order to put the Oracle games between FSA and OoT, Ganon needs to be dead. Ganon was sealed in the Four Sword at the end of FSA.

I guess by that logic LttP and LoZ can't come after OoT/MM/TWW either. Swords can be taken on ships and kept safe. So can historical books. The Four Sword can survive the flood. Besides, it's very painfully obvious that FSA takes place wherever the hell LttP takes place, be that a new Hyrule or the old one drained away.

[Hero of Winds]

I guess by that logic LttP and LoZ can't come after OoT/MM/TWW either. Swords can be taken on ships and kept safe. So can historical books. The Four Sword can survive the flood. Besides, it's very painfully obvious that FSA takes place wherever the hell LttP takes place, be that a new Hyrule or the old one drained away.

Why would the Four Sword be moved? It's not like the people knew their country was going to be destroyed, and even if they did, moving the Four Sword would've released Vaati. The only way out of this conundrum, IMO, is to have the FS backstory happen after TWW.

[Alakhriveion]

Except if you put FS/FSA after OoT/MM/TWW then that means the Four Sword, with the rest of Hyrule, was wiped out in TWW's ending.
 
Plus, in order to put the Oracle games between FSA and OoT, Ganon needs to be dead. Ganon was sealed in the Four Sword at the end of FSA.

You forget: I hold that TWW doesn't come directly after MM, but sometime after aLttP, or even AoL. I think this actually strengthens that theory.

[MikePetersSucks]

One thing it fails to account for is Ganons that lack tridents...

Well, let's start with OOT. Ganondorf could of used the Triforce of Power to pull Ganon right out of the Four Sword and cause it to merge with himself. When he was sealed in the Sacred Realm, Ganon could have been forced to his old prison. then LTTP comes along, Ganondorf is kinda....dead. Ganon could be free from the FS when it was destroyed in the Flood, and got reincarnated as Aghaham(however you spell it) and when he died in the Sacred Realm, he took on his true form. You destroy him, Oracles comes, he's revived with that ritual. We don't actually SEE Ganon die in that ending, so he could of escaped. there you go.

it's very painfully obvious that FSA takes place wherever the hell LttP takes place

How does that work out? the two games don't even share the same Link. If your talking about that damn sidequest in LTTP, you could go with the theory that Link had to forge a new Four Sword, incase it would ever be needed again (especially since the Master Sword is going to sleep forever ~.~)

The only way out of this conundrum, IMO, is to have the FS backstory happen after TWW. OR Have the FS backstory be a sequel to MC, and have all the FS business happen BEFORE the flood. By my theory, there's nothing IN the Sword when the Flood comes to pass anyway except Ganon, and that works perfectly into my theory.

I hold that TWW doesn't come directly after MM, but sometime after aLttP, or even AoL How does this even work? If this was true, ALL those adventures would be mentioned or hinted at in the TWW backstory. what do we get? OOT. nothing else.

[Hero of Winds]

^You're forgetting that FSA's Hyrule is quite clearly the same Hyrule where ALttP takes place.

[Alakhriveion]

So, my "TMC | OoT/MM....aLttP/LA...FS/FSA | tWW/tWW2 | LoZ/AoL" gains some more evidence from this? Am I missing something?

[SOAP]

How does this even work? If this was true, ALL those adventures would be mentioned or hinted at in the TWW backstory. what do we get? OoT. nothing else.

Let me respond to that part really quick with a few observations I've made from TWW. First off Ganon is described as escaping from "the bowels of the earth" not Dark Land, where we last left him in OoT. This could imply that Ganon had died prior to TWW and was revived. Again. Of course you could also interpret that all metaphorically. Ganon was gone forever it seemed so he might as well have been dead. He might have also escaped via the big portal in Death Mountian, so in some sense, it seemed like he was coming right of the ground. Another speculation is that Ganon seems to be looking for Link. Also, when he finds him, he's careful not to kill him right away because he knew the ToC would be lost to him. In no other game does he do this. It seems like Ganon's very cautious this time around. He's seems so sure that he knows everything there is to know about the Hero. How else would he know Link would be reborn unless he had seen it happen before. Everytime Ganon broke free or revived himself, a boy named Link would always arise to stop him. After a while, he probably saw the pattern. And any Link that did arise would just be compiled into the whole legend about whenever an evil threatened Hyrule, a hero would always come to save them. And besides, the very first words in the game (besides the Title XP) are:

This is but one of the legends of which the
people speak...

However it's not my standing LttP comes before TWW. It would be nice but not neccessary. I just believe FSA comes within 100 of LttP. That's all I have time for. I'll elaborate more later.

EDIT: Oh yeah! Another quick reponse:

Why would the Four Sword be moved? It's not like the people knew their country was going to be destroyed, and even if they did, moving the Four Sword would've released Vaati. The only way out of this conundrum, IMO, is to have the FS backstory happen after TWW.

Vaati wasn't sealed up in the FS at the end of TMC now was he?

[Zythe]

Except if you put FS/FSA after OoT/MM/TWW then that means the Four Sword, with the rest of Hyrule, was wiped out in TWW's ending.
 
Plus, in order to put the Oracle games between FSA and OoT, Ganon needs to be dead. Ganon was sealed in the Four Sword at the end of FSA.

I would like to beleive the FS was destroyed ... but then it is seen in LoZ as teh White Sword.

Vaati wasn't sealed up in the FS at the end of TMC now was he?

I beat it on Wednesday, but I just don't remember.

[MikePetersSucks]

This is but one of the legends of which the people speak...

Good point, but It's more likely that their either legends of MC/FS, or some religious stuff. Or it could just be a loose thread Nintendo will use later to cram games in. But as of now, It's pretty much factual that it goes OOT-MM-TWW in that area of the timeline.

I would like to beleive the FS was destroyed ... but then it is seen in LoZ as teh White Sword.

the two swords are different. the MC version has half the power of the FS (it can split Link into two or three, don't remember) Either way, the LOZ version has neither of these powers; besides, there are lots fo White Swords in the universe. WHITE SWORDS. >.>

[martinDTanderson]

This is but one of the legends of which the people speak...

Good point, but It's more likely that their either legends of MC/FS, or some religious stuff. Or it could just be a loose thread Nintendo will use later to cram games in. But as of now, It's pretty much factual that it goes OOT-MM-TWW in that area of the timeline.

I would like to beleive the FS was destroyed ... but then it is seen in LoZ as teh White Sword.

the two swords are different. the MC version has half the power of the FS (it can split Link into two or three, don't remember) Either way, the LOZ version has neither of these powers; besides, there are lots fo White Swords in the universe. WHITE SWORDS. >.>

But it could be the same sword in LoZ as in Minish Cap without the elemental powers!