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#1 Paviel

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 12:58 PM

This is probably old news, and some of my premises might be false, but I thought I'd throw this out there.

1. The trophy of Toon Link in Super Smash Bros. Brawl (SSBB) describes him as being 12 years old.
2. Toon Link is the Link from the Windwaker (WW).
3. WW Link is the same age as the legendary hero in WW's backstory.
4. WW takes place in the Adult Link timeline. Corollary: The legendary hero was Adult Link.
Conclusion: If the SSBB trophy was accurate, then Adult Link was 12 years old.

#2 MikePetersSucks

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 02:11 PM

Faulty logic is faulty. Nothing states for fact that TWW Link and Adult OOT Link were the same age, only that TWW Link was the same age that Link started his journey. Therefore, he's merely the same age as the Hero of Time at the very beginning of his adventure.

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 02:27 PM

Miyamotto states Child Link as being 7-8 years old.

Kushida: In my understanding, “Ocarina of Time” depicts the first adventure that Link has. Is that true?
Miyamoto: That is true. This is about the time that Child Link makes his debut. He is set to be about 7~8 years old.



Source: http://www.miyamotos...ews/08982.shtml

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 03:15 PM

Faulty logic is faulty. Nothing states for fact that TWW Link and Adult OOT Link were the same age, only that TWW Link was the same age that Link started his journey. Therefore, he's merely the same age as the Hero of Time at the very beginning of his adventure.


I stand corrected.

On the other hand, there is further proof that TWW Link is at least as old as Adult Link: The Master Sword didn't age him, and if he were any younger than Adult Link, it would have.

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 05:10 PM

Though, the Master Sword was depowered when he first got it.

Besides, the age up in OoT is really just a convenient plot device; we shouldn't expect them to re-use it. Like the triforce splitting.

Also, TWW Link is 12 whilst young Link in OoT is usually said to be younger (anywhere from 7-10); it looks like the memories of how old Link was on Outset Island have been distorted over time.


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Posted 22 January 2010 - 07:10 PM

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Daaaang, that's one buff 12-year-old.

#7 Emiko

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 07:39 PM

so...if adult link was 12 then..he was 2 when he pulled out the Master Sword..


I think not..

Link had to be 7-8 in OoT and there for as adult link be 17-18

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 07:47 PM

7 years time lapse, Emiko. He'd be 5.

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 08:16 PM

There's no way he could only be 7-8 in OoT, as he's clearly not 14-15 as Adult Link. That was a pre-release comment, and we know how these things change from stuff that's said before release... 9-12 is at least possible. 9 as the minimum because I think another interview said it was around that, and because it would make Adult Link 16, like AoL and TP Link. 12 fits with TWW, and at least 10-12 makes it more likely for him to pass as an adult. Being the same as TWW's Link is unnecessary, as legends can be inaccurate, and it's more of a generic coming of age ceremony. It's like how Christians come up with an estimation of Jesus' birthday, but it's most likely not accurate.

I can't seriously believe I'm having a discussion over the precise age of a character in a video game. I'm not sure if this means I shouldn't be theorising, or if I just need to stick to things with actual meaning.

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 08:27 PM

There's no way he could only be 7-8 in OoT, as he's clearly not 14-15 as Adult Link.


I actually recall reading on the Daizenshuu EX Dragon Ball forum that the Japanese consider people to be adults once they become 15. I can't confirm that though, so I'll just ask MPS if that is true or false.

Edit: I have spoken with MPS and he has confirmed that the Japanese believe that a person is an adult once they become 15.

Indeed they do. When it comes to the law, it can be more complicated, as in some areas, age restrictions are loser than the West, and in some areas even more strict, but as far as social climate, yea, you're acknowledged as "adult enough" at 15.


Edited by Average Gamer, 22 January 2010 - 08:55 PM.


#11 MikePetersSucks

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 08:52 PM

Considering ANIMU, Adult Link could very easily be 15.

On the other hand, there is further proof that TWW Link is at least as old as Adult Link: The Master Sword didn't age him, and if he were any younger than Adult Link, it would have.


TWW Link isn't the Hero of Time, and thus isn't necessarily bound by any requirements OOT Link had to go through.

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 09:03 PM

7 years time lapse, Emiko. He'd be 5.



oh..thats right...for some reason I was thinking 10 >_<

but still..

five years old?! Seriously! I know my four year old is smart..but I would have to say that most five year olds would not know how to fight a huge bad ass monster..etc..

ten years would be more like it...

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 09:36 PM

Most. This is Link we're talking about :P

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 11:00 AM

I'd say OOT Link is about 12 at the beginning because TWW's Link was 12. Same with all the child Links (FS games, OOX, TWW/PH, ST).
All the others were between 14 (LOZ's Link's implied age with AOL two years later) and 18 or 20.

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 12:42 PM

I've always thought that Link is not THAT young in TWW. It's just aesthetics, he could just be 16. The children of the game are all much smaller than Link (and I know, the adults much taller), and anyway, from the point of view of TWW people, the Hero of Time began his adventure at 16 (or so), when he appeared as from nowhere.

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 03:40 PM

It's just aesthetics, he could just be 16. The children of the game are all much smaller than Link


12 year olds tend to be significantly taller than 7 year olds.

anyway, from the point of view of TWW people, the Hero of Time began his adventure at 16 (or so), when he appeared as from nowhere.


We don't know how much of that is true. Zelda could've informed the people of the true story as a legend, and then things kinda fell to shit with the Flooding and stuff, so the Outset Island knows "Uh...well a young boy, barely a man, came through with a holy sword and killed the demon king, Ganon, then he rode into like...time. On a horse."

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 06:29 PM

I didn't say I could prove it ;) Just said it's a non-far-fetched possibility that most people tend to pass over.

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 03:06 AM

Pretty sure OoT link was transported seven years in time to forfill his destiny as the Hero of Time, WW Link is the Hero of Winds with a different destiny. HoT Saves Hyrule, HoW destroys it. I'm pretty sure the age thing is tied to the hero of time only.

Also I've always considered Young Link as 11, a typical age for a child hero and also marks the first step towards adulthood. And that would make Adult Link 18, which is considered an age of becoming an adult. Mostly makes sense.

12 year olds tend to be significantly taller than 7 year olds.

Yes but 12 year olds don't tend to be as tall as adults, Link is also roughly the same age as Zelda. So Shiek, is 12?

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 05:12 PM

I never said Adult OOT Link was twelve. Infact, I shot down that very same notion above. I'm only saying TWW Link is twelve, probably to mirror the age of OOT Link at the time he started his journey.

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 07:25 PM

I don't see any reason to believe that TWW Link is a young adult. Aside from the height issue that MPS mentioned, the characters in TWW clearly treat Link like a child, the same way that OoT's characters treated Young Link.

If there is one single thing I find weird about the situation, it's that the Master Sword seems to have mysteriously shortened in length since it was wielded by the Hero of Time...

Edited by Raien, 25 January 2010 - 07:25 PM.


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Posted 25 January 2010 - 08:37 PM

Well, it WAS drained of it's power. And since it displays a weird quasi-sentience, it may have stayed short to keep from being difficult or unwieldy for it's new master.




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