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[Gibdo Master]

Is it possible that WW Ganondorf escaped the Sacred Realm by splitting off from his Ganon side; leaving it behind? Is there anything like that in Japanese mythology?

It would explain why Ganondorf doesn't change into Ganon himself and instead uses the puppet.

It would also possibly allow ALttP to fit on the adult time line given ST and all.

Obviously this is pure speculation, but I wanted some outside opinion.

I thought of it when a gamefaq poster was pointing out that WW Ganondorf represents his human side, while TP Ganondorf represents his bestial side.

[Average Gamer]

TWW's Ganondorf can get pretty get pretty savage at times, so the "TWW=human TP=beast" theory is unlikely. Also, seeing as how Ganondorf has his Mazoku in TWW, the seal on the Sacred Realm has probably been broken. Finally, we don't see a spirit leave Ganondorf's body like his spirit left the Agahnim body in ALttP, so any chance of Ganondorf splitting his soul to escape the OoT seal is gone.

Regarding ST, the land, names, and culture are different from Old Hyrule, and knowledge of the old world is still gone. Additionally, the Japanese version of ALttP implies that the Sacred Realm is smaller than the Light World and is only a mirror of Hyrule.

Link, good job coming this far for me. You were, after all, the legendary "Hero".

I've had that feeling since the time we first met.
... ... ...

Ganon erected a barrier on Death Mountain's tower, and is waiting for the time when he will slip through the passage between the two worlds.

If Ganon were to come to the World of Light, it might no longer be possible to catch him.

But, if he's inside this bounded space, you can find him unfailingly no matter where he runs.

Now, taking the seven crystals, let us hurry to Ganon's Tower.
We will break the barrier with our power.

　Link ...
Let's take our peaceful country unfailingly ... ...

The original makes it sound like Ganon is trying to run away... The verb used for his attempted passage to the Light World has a nuance of escaping, and the problem if Ganon enters the Light World seems to be more one of 'catching' him than beating him.

From reading the NOA version, it might be confusing why the Dark World is a "closed space." From the original version, it is clearer that the Dark World is "bound," meaning that the Sages' Seal limits where Ganon can go.

Seeing as how Hyrule was annihilated in the ending of TWW and the Deku Tree's plan was apparently unsuccessful, games featuring the Sacred Realm can't happen after TWW.

As for Puppet Ganon, that was probably just supposed to be an equivalent to the Ganon form, or it might have been as though Ganondorf were messing around and reenacting the battle between himself and the Hero of Time. It might have also served to show that the beast form is really just a tool of the man.

Edited by Average Gamer, 10 January 2010 - 05:16 AM.

[MikePetersSucks]

Is it possible that WW Ganondorf escaped the Sacred Realm by splitting off from his Ganon side; leaving it behind? Is there anything like that in Japanese mythology?

Technically yes, but there's no implication that Ganondorf actually did this. For one thing, he strikes me as being much too arrogant and powerhungry to give up any of his power, even if it's in his best interest. Secondly, we get no evidence that Ganondorf can even DO this. It's a nice fanfiction idea, but nothing to base theories on.

It would also possibly allow ALttP to fit on the adult time line given ST and all.

No, not at all. The New Hyrule in Spirit Tracks has no connection to the Triforce or the Sacred Realm, and since, logically following, Ganon would be able to claim the Triforce immediately after TWW's ending, there's no way in hell it would take all of these years for the Imprisoning War to hap-oh fuck people are gonna theorize that this split off Ganon side became Malladus, aren't they? God dammit.

As for Puppet Ganon, that was probably just supposed to be an equivalent to the Ganon form, or it might have been as though Ganondorf were messing around and reenacting the battle between himself and the Hero of Time. It might have also served to show that the beast form is really just a tool of the man.

Duh. He was PLAYING with Link. He didn't prove himself to Ganondorf until he used brute force to prove he wasn't screwing around. Obvious implication is obvious.

[ganonlord6000]

Is it possible that WW Ganondorf escaped the Sacred Realm by splitting off from his Ganon side; leaving it behind? Is there anything like that in Japanese mythology?

Technically yes, but there's no implication that Ganondorf actually did this. For one thing, he strikes me as being much too arrogant and powerhungry to give up any of his power, even if it's in his best interest. Secondly, we get no evidence that Ganondorf can even DO this. It's a nice fanfiction idea, but nothing to base theories on.

It would also possibly allow ALttP to fit on the adult time line given ST and all.

No, not at all. The New Hyrule in Spirit Tracks has no connection to the Triforce or the Sacred Realm, and since, logically following, Ganon would be able to claim the Triforce immediately after TWW's ending, there's no way in hell it would take all of these years for the Imprisoning War to hap-oh fuck people are gonna theorize that this split off Ganon side became Malladus, aren't they? God dammit.

As for Puppet Ganon, that was probably just supposed to be an equivalent to the Ganon form, or it might have been as though Ganondorf were messing around and reenacting the battle between himself and the Hero of Time. It might have also served to show that the beast form is really just a tool of the man.

Duh. He was PLAYING with Link. He didn't prove himself to Ganondorf until he used brute force to prove he wasn't screwing around. Obvious implication is obvious.

I doubt people will try to connect Ganon to Malladus. They were demon kings for two different lands with different goals. One wanted to rule the world. The other wanted to destroy it.

TWW's Ganondorf can get pretty get pretty savage at times, so the "TWW=human TP=beast" theory is unlikely. Also, seeing as how Ganondorf has his Mazoku in TWW, the seal on the Sacred Realm has probably been broken. Finally, we don't see a spirit leave Ganondorf's body like his spirit left the Agahnim body in ALttP, so any chance of Ganondorf splitting his soul to escape the OoT seal is gone.

Regarding ST, the land, names, and culture are different from Old Hyrule, and knowledge of the old world is still gone. Additionally, the Japanese version of ALttP implies that the Sacred Realm is smaller than the Light World and is only a mirror of Hyrule.

Tell that to everyone still trying to connect OOT to the IW. The OOT seal is most definitely broken and Ganon was destroyed on this side of the timeline. I sure hope that ST (especially what the ending implies) will seperate OOT from the IW forever. As well as a single timeline (is one even possible with ST?)

[MikePetersSucks]

I doubt people will try to connect Ganon to Malladus. They were demon kings for two different lands with different goals. One wanted to rule the world. The other wanted to destroy it.

You haven't been in the Zelda fandom for very long, have you? People come up with some craaaaaazy shit. You can still find arguments that all the Links, including TWW link, is the same individual; not reincarnation, the saaaaame person.

Tell that to everyone still trying to connect OOT to the IW. The OOT seal is most definitely broken and Ganon was destroyed on this side of the timeline. I sure hope that ST (especially what the ending implies) will seperate OOT from the IW forever. As well as a single timeline (is one even possible with ST?)

The Single Timeline and OOT being the Imprisoning War both became undeniably impossible with the release of TWW and TP, which are irreconcilably unable to be in the same timeline and unable to allow OOT to flow into LTTP.

[Average Gamer]

I doubt people will try to connect Ganon to Malladus.

Like MPS said, don't doubt how foolish and crazy the Zelda fanbase can be. In addition to MPS' example, quite a few people on ZU currently think that Vaati, in his winged eyeball form, somehow raped a bunch of prepubescent maidens to give birth to the Sheikah.

[MikePetersSucks]

Just like in my fanfi-I mean ew, that's fucked up.

[Fin]

Is it possible that WW Ganondorf escaped the Sacred Realm by splitting off from his Ganon side; leaving it behind?

I doubt he split his beast and human parts. My fanwank is that Ganon escaped the Sacred Realm in WW's backstory by creating a soul split, and basically succeeded in what Trident Ganon attempted to do in LttP. My only proof for this is the presence of Phantom Ganon, and I certainly don't think the developers intended anything like it, but it's a favourite theory of mine.

I thought of it when a gamefaq poster was pointing out that WW Ganondorf represents his human side, while TP Ganondorf represents his bestial side.

kamikazetomato, right? What's your handle there?

Edited by Fin, 18 January 2010 - 11:52 AM.

[MikePetersSucks]

My only proof for this is the presence of Phantom Ganon

Phantom Ganon has never been a soul split of Ganon.

[Fin]

Well, I just meant that he could be. Like I said, it's pure fanwank, and I don't think Nintendo intended anything of the sort.