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[Zythe]

We've seen a lot of clues in the Minish Cap that it predates OoT (so takes place on Ancient Hyrule ) and features either relations of or the very same oracles of OoA and OoS (save Farore). Could we look into the possibility that TMC set the legend of the hero to be prophesised about in OoT?

Reasons Supporting This Theory

• There's a family of Tingles, so descendents of the Tingles of TWW
• There are all the familiar OoT landmarks
• Solution to the perplexing Oracle games and its featuring of the Master Sword

Reasons Against This Theory

• Ganondorf in Oracles?
• Can you think of some more?

Where do you place the Minish Cap in the timeline?

[Tri-Enforcer]

I put the MC first. You see in FS the creators implied that FS would be first, but the game itself didn't hint at it. Now, we have MC. Some of the creators imply that it is the 1st in the timeline, and also the game it's self states it is the earliest adventure--can't go wrong when the creators and the game (which doesn't usually happen by the way) are in agreement in a Zelda game's storyline placement.

Also, this appears to be the 1st time that Link starts the tradition of wearing his trademark green cap. We already can tell that no other hero wore it before. The "hero of men" shown in the stain glass scenes wore no green cap and Link, at the start of MC, was without a green cap until he came across Ezro. Plus, look at the symbolism involved when Ezro leaves behind a gift for Link in the form of a cap...that's a powerful critic of how Link will continue to wear the cap in honor of his dear friend who helped in his darkest hour.... Now, other Links will continue the tradition (although they may not be aware of how the tradition was started). So it doesn't seem as if any other Zelda game comes before MC, cuz those games depicted Link bearing the green cap.

[Hero of Winds]

TMC will probably end up going first, but Oracles before OoT just doesn't work. Plain and simple.

[Husse]

To me, (and I know people won't like this,) the Oracles aren't a real Zelda game in the storyline. They were made by Hal Bros., for crying out loud. Seperate creators, and hard to fit in the timeline? I'll live without. *awaits the flames*

[Hero of Winds]

To me, (and I know people won't like this,) the Oracles aren't a real Zelda game in the storyline. They were made by Hal Bros., for crying out loud. Seperate creators, and hard to fit in the timeline? I'll live without. *awaits the flames*

Actually, they were made by Miyamoto, and the developer was Flagship (part of Capcom). Flagship also made the FS games and TMC.

[Tri-Enforcer]

At least we somewhat have a better feeling of where to place the Oracles...at first...they could be placed just about anywhere, but it seems to BE sometime after MC. The MC is the only Zelda game that makes reference to the characters from the Oracle games (i.e. Nayru-the singer and Din the dancer).

[Hero of Winds]

At least we somewhat have a better feeling of where to place the Oracles...at first...they could be placed just about anywhere, but it seems to BE sometime after MC. The MC is the only Zelda game that makes reference to the characters from the Oracle games (i.e. Nayru-the singer and Din the dancer).

True, but Oracles happening sometime after TMC isn't exactly an ideal answer, considering TMC is the first in the timeline.

[Tri-Enforcer]

Yeah it would seem that Oracles may be a little futher down the timeline and out of the vicinity of oracles, but by the same token why have images (the figurines) of the Oracles from the Oracle games, which looks just like them? There's only two reasons why images of someone may be around: 1) the image is of someone who existed in the past, or 2) someone who is currently in existence. I think the Din and Naryu are well known in Labrynna and Holodrum at the same time MC is taking place, later Link may come across them. I mean what would make it seem that Oracles don't happen within the time era of MC but much farther down the line?

[Hero of Winds]

Yeah it would seem that Oracles may be a little futher down the timeline and out of the vicinity of oracles, but by the same token why have images (the figurines) of the Oracles from the Oracle games, which looks just like them? There's only two reasons why images of someone may be around: 1) the image is of someone who existed in the past, or 2) someone who is currently in existence. I think the Din and Naryu are well known in Labrynna and Holodrum at the same time MC is taking place, later Link may come across them. I mean what would make it seem that Oracles don't happen within the time era of MC but much farther down the line?

If the Oracle games are the next in line (following TMC) that would mean they predate OoT, which is impossible considering Ganon is dead in Oracles, and he's first created in OoT (or perhaps FSA, whatever).

One idea I had was that the Oracles have long lives because of their special powers, or whatever. Or maybe the Oracles are all descendants of each other, each one having the same name. So perhaps the Din, Nayru, and Farore in this game are ancestors of the OoS/OoA Din, Nayru, and Farore.

So confusing. But at least we know Capcom hasn't forgotten about their first Zelda games.

[MikePetersSucks]

Hmm...maybe the Oracles really DO live longer? :S um... >.> Or perhaps new Oracles are chosen when the old ones die, Sage style? I wouldn't think that being named Nayru or Din is respectful in the planet of Hyrule, so maybe when a girl gets Oraclehood (Oracles being the Holodrum/Labrynna counterparts to Hyrule's Sages?) And they adopt the names of the Goddesses and the powers of the old Oracles? Or perhaps *GASP* The Oracles are really Minish! O.o

[Koroks Rock]

the oracles could be considered a moot point, the possibility of unusual "oracular powers/lifespan" etc are too much of a wild card, and indeed, Nayru may be a title or common name. so i don't think we can safely factor them inas storyline placers.

the cap idea is very good, i like it, and above all, it makes sense from all perspectives (game, creators, and players). so that's a good point, but it's unforetuneately speculation at this point.

triforce on the hand... link could have gotten that when the triforce booted him down to Holodrum/Labrynna, quite often fantasy will use a technique wherein a powerful magical occurence (transportation in this case) brands the object of the magic. it'd be a good use of common fantasy lore, but is, like the hat idea, purely speculation. so while it would make sense tto have another adventure before the Oracles which involves the triforce, it's not a standalone requisite.

so the only thing i have to say which doesn't discount something is this: MC does indeed imply being first, not only in context and creator comments, but also in style. the whole beanstalk thing screams of classicness, going back to folklore roots, ie firstness. we also see a artistic style which closely resembles aLttP, which hints as basicness, after we've seen that the advance can do more.

[Zythe]

Ganon is a man in OoT and has never been a monster before then, so games like HA have to be after OoT.

Vaati is a man in TMC so FS, FSA and HA have to come afterwards and because of all the other evidence suggesting that TMC is the 1st.

Also, there is room for a prequel (MC-1) where you play as teh Hero of Men fighting (what I assume to be) a red pig monster (perhaps the Gerudo King before Ganon).

[Hero of Winds]

We still need a game to fill in the gap between TMC and FS. My guess is FS DS will do just that.

[MikePetersSucks]

True, all true. Although isn't it possible that Ganon could be reincarnated between HA and OoT just like Link and Zelda? Or the Gerudo Kings are all given the same name? (Ganondorf could possibly actually mean Gerudo King)

[Showsni]

features either relations of or the very same oracles of OoA and OoS (save Farore).

Why save Farore? She's in The Minish Cap, isn't she?

[TSA]

My order from the completion of TMC.

The Minish Cap -> Four Swords DS -> Four Swords -> Four Swords Adventures -> Zelda2K5 (or some game here to explain the Master Sword's origins) -> Ocarina of Time -> Majora's Mask -> The Wind Waker -> A Link to the Past -> Oracles -> Link's Awakening -> The Legend of Zelda -> The Adventure of Link.

[MikePetersSucks]

Yea, right on, TSA! My timeline too! what does everyone think, by the way, what happened to the Four Sword and where the Master Sword came from?

[Hero of Winds]

Yea, right on, TSA! My timeline too! what does everyone think, by the way, what happened to the Four Sword and where the Master Sword came from?

If the FS series does indeed precede OoT, then the Four Sword would've been wiped out by the flood. If not, then the Four Sword is still in it's pedestal.

And we know where the Master Sword came from: it was forged by the Hylians in order to repel evil Triforce magic.

[Zythe]

Why save Farore? She's in The Minish Cap, isn't she?

"Save" means "except for", silly.