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[Erimgard]

Now take this with a grain of salt, as it's from the Spanish site, and calls "Anjean" by the name "Radiel", but the Spanish website for Spirit Tracks has given a name to the Demon King: Mallard

A Spanish-speaking member of ZU brought this to attention, and posted links to the Spanish site. While we don't have an "official" translation yet, Google translator (lololol, yeah I know) also came up with "Mallard" as the title for the Demon King.

Wake up the dawn and a young apprentice is preparing to attend the ceremony for the title of engineer to be held in the castle of Hyrule.

During the ceremony, the lovely Princess Zelda, leads him aside and gives him a secret memo showing how it is to their quarters. Link gets rid of the guards and get to her bedroom. There, Zelda gives terrible news: The sacred ways are disappearing! The princess asks Link to help her leave the castle and take her to the Tower of the gods to join Radiel, the wise old woman.

The brave pair manages to get to the train of Link, but the road, assault them about criminals who attack Zelda and take their body. Fortunately, his spirit escapes and comes with Link to the tower where they Radiel confesses the terrible truth: Mallard will escape his prison and will soon return to haunt the land.

Will Link be able to save the sacred way in time to prevent this from happening? Can the spirit of Zelda return to his body? Only time will tell the true value ...

http://www.nintendo....acks_13569.html
http://www.nintendo....oria_13580.html

Awaiting more legit translation.

[Fin]

Oh crap. Didn't see this before I posted in the other thread.

Anyway, I doubt Ganon is called Mallard in Spain, so even if Mallard doesn't turn out to be his English or Japanese name, I think it's safe to say he's a new guy.

EDIT: Seems Mallard is a type of train.

Edited by Finbarr, 09 November 2009 - 12:48 AM.

[Person]

Oh crap. Didn't see this before I posted in the other thread.

Anyway, I doubt Ganon is called Mallard in Spain, so even if Mallard doesn't turn out to be his English or Japanese name, I think it's safe to say he's a new guy.

EDIT: Seems Mallard is a type of train.

Angry train from the trailer probably has something to do with the Demon King. Everybody's name is a pun relating to trains, anyway. Cole, Anjean, Lokomo.

[Showsni]

I've been to see Mallard in the National Railway Museum, in York. It has the world record for fastest steam engine.

[Fin]

Does it also hold the record for most evil steam engine?

[MikePetersSucks]

DUH. It was already explicitly obvious that this villain wasn't Ganon by virtue of, you know, being apparently permanently dead and underwater.

[Fin]

Well, I don't completely trust Nintendo to stick to the original plan, so I'm glad to get a little reassurance.

[Person]

DUH. It was already explicitly obvious that this villain wasn't Ganon by virtue of, you know, being apparently permanently dead and underwater.

Nintendo has a bad habit of making their plots Hijacked by Ganon.

[ganonlord6000]

DUH. It was already explicitly obvious that this villain wasn't Ganon by virtue of, you know, being apparently permanently dead and underwater.

Nintendo has a bad habit of making their plots Hijacked by Ganon.

Interesting. I guess ST might help confirm that Ganon dies in TWW though. The screenshots from ST already show hints to the relevance of other games (TMC's hat) though. And I highly doubt that the demon king was the train in the trailer. There is no way Nintendo would reveal the end boss in a trailer. Why the hell would they? Still doesn't expalin why the story is nearly identical to the Oracles though.

Edited by ganonlord6000, 09 November 2009 - 04:16 PM.

[Fin]

Still doesn't expalin why the story is nearly identical to the Oracles though.

Because Nintendo aren't very imaginative.

And what's this about Minish Cap's hat? How does Spirit Tracks relate?

Edited by Finbarr, 09 November 2009 - 04:31 PM.

[Wolf O'Donnell]

DUH. It was already explicitly obvious that this villain wasn't Ganon by virtue of, you know, being apparently permanently dead and underwater.

Nintendo has a bad habit of making their plots Hijacked by Ganon.

Interestingly, if you click on the Joker Immunity link featured in that article, you come across Ganon's entry where the very last line states:

He's coming back as a possessed train in Spirit Tracks, which at least confirms he's a ghost, and therefore dead.

Speculation indeed and to be taken with a grain of salt. A very large grain of salt.

[Person]

DUH. It was already explicitly obvious that this villain wasn't Ganon by virtue of, you know, being apparently permanently dead and underwater.

Nintendo has a bad habit of making their plots Hijacked by Ganon.

Interestingly, if you click on the Joker Immunity link featured in that article, you come across Ganon's entry where the very last line states:

He's coming back as a possessed train in Spirit Tracks, which at least confirms he's a ghost, and therefore dead.

Speculation indeed and to be taken with a grain of salt. A very large grain of salt.

I nuked that line. It was written when people had only seen the leaked screenshot and went "OMG Traindorf!" without having read the plot summary.

[MikePetersSucks]

Still doesn't expalin why the story is nearly identical to the Oracles though.

Uh....I see like, almost no similarity to Oracles whatsoever.

[ganonlord6000]

Still doesn't expalin why the story is nearly identical to the Oracles though.

Uh....I see like, almost no similarity to Oracles whatsoever.

How about the fact that Zelda is being used as a vessel to resurrect a demon king? sound familiar? In the oracles, Twinrova was going to use Zelda as a vessel to resurrect Ganon.

[Raien]

How about the fact that Zelda is being used as a vessel to resurrect a demon king? sound familiar? In the oracles, Twinrova was going to use Zelda as a vessel to resurrect Ganon.

I think you're confusing "Oracles" with "TVTropes". Seriously, that plot point is incredibly generic. You might as well say that ST's story is also identical to Paper Mario 2.

Edited by Raien, 10 November 2009 - 04:52 PM.

[ganonlord6000]

How about the fact that Zelda is being used as a vessel to resurrect a demon king? sound familiar? In the oracles, Twinrova was going to use Zelda as a vessel to resurrect Ganon.

I think you're confusing "Oracles" with "TVTropes". Seriously, that plot point is incredibly generic. You might as well say that ST's story is also identical to Paper Mario 2.

True.

Is it possible that the demon king is the train in the trailer? he did emerge from the tower didn't he? If so, then who is this cole guy trying to revive?

And what's this about Minish Cap's hat? How does Spirit Tracks relate?

By showing that the tunic has no meaning to it. All of the guards have the tunic based off of TWW's Link. None of them have the hat.

[MikePetersSucks]

How about the fact that Zelda is being used as a vessel to resurrect a demon king? sound familiar? In the oracles, Twinrova was going to use Zelda as a vessel to resurrect Ganon.

That's incredibly vague. That's an especially weak connection, especially since the resurrection rituals are nothing alike, and that while Link succeeds in stopping Twinrova from killing Zelda so she can be sacrificed, the implication here is that some demon spirit is going to literally possess Zelda's body ala TP.

Is it possible that the demon king is the train in the trailer? he did emerge from the tower didn't he? If so, then who is this cole guy trying to revive?

No it is not. The Demon King is sealed by the existence of the Spirit Tracks, and can only be revived by inhabiting Zelda's body.

[Arturo]

Now take this with a grain of salt, as it's from the Spanish site, and calls "Anjean" by the name "Radiel", but the Spanish website for Spirit Tracks has given a name to the Demon King: Mallard

A Spanish-speaking member of ZU brought this to attention, and posted links to the Spanish site. While we don't have an "official" translation yet, Google translator (lololol, yeah I know) also came up with "Mallard" as the title for the Demon King.

And because it's in Spanish it's not as believable as in English? Ah I forgot your country was the centre of the universe ¬¬

Apart from that, Radiel is given a different name in each language, as has happenned with many characters before (Aryll is Abril in Spanish, for example)

Edited by Arturo, 12 November 2009 - 09:51 AM.

[MikePetersSucks]

It's not that English is the center of the universe, it's just that it goes Japan > English > Other Latin Languages as far as it comes to games.

[Fin]

And what's this about Minish Cap's hat? How does Spirit Tracks relate?

By showing that the tunic has no meaning to it. All of the guards have the tunic based off of TWW's Link. None of them have the hat.

I don't agree that that makes the hat meaningless - the important thing is that the hero continues to wear the hat. Besides, that hat thing is implied to be destiny - this guard uniform thing is probably a more conscious paying of respect to the Heroes of Time and Winds.

[SOAP]

It's not that English is the center of the universe, it's just that it goes Japan > English > Other Latin Languages as far as it comes to games.

I don't know.... The original Japanese I'd concede is the most canon since it's language it's originally written in but as far as translations go I'd say that depends on what country you're from. If you're in an English-speaking country and frequent predominatly english-speaking boards like this one yes it's Japanese > English > Other Langauges. If you live in Spain and frequent Spanish-speaking boards It would be Japanese > Spanish > Other Languages, ect. If I was Arturo, I'd be really pissed at you guys.

Personally I'm kinda interested in knowing the Spanish translation of other names from other Zelda games if Arturo ever has the time.

And what's this about Minish Cap's hat? How does Spirit Tracks relate?

By showing that the tunic has no meaning to it. All of the guards have the tunic based off of TWW's Link. None of them have the hat.

I don't agree that that makes the hat meaningless - the important thing is that the hero continues to wear the hat. Besides, that hat thing is implied to be destiny - this guard uniform thing is probably a more conscious paying of respect to the Heroes of Time and Winds.

I find the whole guard uniform thing interesting since TMC Link wears the tunic minus the hat the beginning the game but isn't called out on how odd his attire is like TP Link was by Ashei, who basically responded to him like he was some sort of cosplayer. If memory serves didn't TMC link's grandfather also wear the tunic as well? By then it was probably just everyday attire. Or maybe it showed that the wearer was a protector of the royal family. I forgot where I was going with this. I'm drunk and tired and I'm going to bed. This talk of ST is getting me excited though.

Edited by SOAP, 13 November 2009 - 03:38 AM.

[MikePetersSucks]

I don't know.... The original Japanese I'd concede is the most canon since it's language it's originally written in but as far as translations go I'd say that depends on what country you're from. If you're in an English-speaking country and frequent predominatly english-speaking boards like this one yes it's Japanese > English > Other Langauges. If you live in Spain and frequent Spanish-speaking boards It would be Japanese > Spanish > Other Languages, ect. If I was Arturo, I'd be really pissed at you guys.

I say English, because the English is usually translated from the Japanese, and most other language versions translate from the English (translating Japanese into Spanish is much harder).

[ganonlord6000]

I just did a photo comparison of some artwork regarding the demon train and a Mallard train (due to that supposedly being the demon king's name). The similarities are remarkable.

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The denmon train looks like a mallard train according to those pictures. It alsos reminds me of Bellum...

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[Showsni]

It's not "a Mallard train." That specific engine is called Mallard. It's a LNER Class A4 if you want to talk about what type it is.

[Arturo]

I say English, because the English is usually translated from the Japanese, and most other language versions translate from the English (translating Japanese into Spanish is much harder).

No, no, that happened with the old games, such as OoT and MM, but in TWW, TMC and TP; for example, I am pretty sure it was translated directly from Japanese (do you remember that many times some of the European languages were closer to the original Japanese than English?

[Erimgard]

So, now that the ST backstory vid has been released, and it clearly shows that the Eagle/Force Gem symbol is a Lokomo symbol from before Link and Tetra arrived, and not the Hyrulean Royal Family crest, I think we can lay aside the "New Hyrule has completely left the Triforce behind, no Triforce games can go on the Adult Timeline" theory.

Also, Zelda's dress has the Triforce on it.

[ganonlord6000]

So, now that the ST backstory vid has been released, and it clearly shows that the Eagle/Force Gem symbol is a Lokomo symbol from before Link and Tetra arrived, and not the Hyrulean Royal Family crest, I think we can lay aside the "New Hyrule has completely left the Triforce behind, no Triforce games can go on the Adult Timeline" theory.

Also, Zelda's dress has the Triforce on it.

So basically what Impossible calls the COST. I think what AOST theorizers viewed as its hope (ST) will now be its destruction and place all of the older games on the CT by default and seperate OOT from ALTTP's IW forever.

[Erimgard]

I didn't understand a word of what you just said.
But I think you said somehow this forces aLttP on the child timeline.

[Average Gamer]

So, now that the ST backstory vid has been released, and it clearly shows that the Eagle/Force Gem symbol is a Lokomo symbol from before Link and Tetra arrived, and not the Hyrulean Royal Family crest

The Lokomo appear to be greatly influential in the land and close to the Royal Family though, so that symbol could still be the crest of the new kingdom. It's the only symbol in the game that's really been shown off so far.

[Erimgard]

And said crest has only been seen on two things, the Spirit Train, and the Spirit Tower, both of which preceded Link and Tetra's arrival in the land.