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[ganonlord6000]

This is just something thought of. If this question can be answered then timeline theorizing might be a bit easier for us (I think that Oracles Ganon just might be OOT's Ganon).

Edited by Showsni, 02 September 2009 - 04:19 PM.

[Masamune]

There should be an option: "Screw the rules, they're all the same!"

[Nerushi]

Lets see...

-OoX Ganon-
Has blue skin
Has the trident

-FSA Ganon-
Has blue skin
Has the trident

-Oot Ganon-
Has green skin
No Trident

This is such a tough decision...

[ganonlord6000]

Isn't it pretty clear that they are not the same Ganon? Oh. Which Ganon was Twinrova loyal to again? I believe that their loyalty was to OOT's Ganon. Why would they ressurrect some Ganon that they are never seen serving in the games?

[Nerushi]

Isn't it pretty clear that they are not the same Ganon? Oh. Which Ganon was Twinrova loyal to again? I believe that their loyalty was to OOT's Ganon. Why would they ressurrect some Ganon that they are never seen serving in the games?

Yeah why? But then again, CT OoT Ganon never dies, so it's pretty hard to ressurect him. At least, at the time when OoX was released he never did. OoX was supposed to show a crossover Ganon between ALTTP and OoT. That's was before FSA was released and told us that the trident Ganon is different from OoT Ganon. Blame capcom for recycling character left and right.
In the end, I don't view it as a problem that the Twinrova tries to ressurect OoX Ganon, even if he isn't OoT Ganon. They're all Gerudos.

[Zola Revolution]

I say that he is OT Ganon who is the FS+ Ganon.

[ganonlord6000]

I say that he is OT Ganon who is the FS+ Ganon.

Last time I checked FSA's Ganon has entirely different orgins from OOT's Ganon.

Yeah why? But then again, CT OoT Ganon never dies, so it's pretty hard to ressurect him. At least, at the time when OoX was released he never did. OoX was supposed to show a crossover Ganon between ALTTP and OoT. That's was before FSA was released and told us that the trident Ganon is different from OoT Ganon. Blame capcom for recycling character left and right.
In the end, I don't view it as a problem that the Twinrova tries to ressurect OoX Ganon, even if he isn't OoT Ganon. They're all Gerudos.

Don't any of you think that it is possible that the demon Ganon was the result of the incomplete resurrection attempt in the Oracles and that either Twinrova or OOT's Ganon created the trident to resurrect him? The fact that the vessel used to resurrect him in the oracles uses the same term in the Japanese version of the oracles and the Japanese version of FSA might make this a possibility.

[joeymartin64]

There should be an option: "Screw the rules, they're all the same!"

You could vote for both.

EDIT: Oh, and my vote's for OoT Ganon. I'm not going to get into any specifics, because my timeline would make people cry/explode.

Edited by joeymartin64, 31 August 2009 - 07:43 PM.

[Person]

OoT Ganon never had a Trident and his pig form looked different from the traditional blue pig of the 2D games. FSA Ganon was a Gerudo too, so Twinrova might be loyal to him as well. Or maybe FSA Ganon is OoT Ganon reincarnated or something.

[joeymartin64]

OoT Ganon looks way different from TP Ganon, and they're pretty much undeniably the same. If we're bringing design into it, I may as well point out that FSA Ganon uses voice clips from TWW Ganondorf. Not a perfect analogy, I know.

As for the Trident thing, that really depends on how you feel about A Trident vs. THE Trident.

Edited by joeymartin64, 31 August 2009 - 07:50 PM.

[Jarsh]

OoT Ganon looks way different from TP Ganon, and they're pretty much undeniably the same. If we're bringing design into it, I may as well point out that FSA Ganon uses voice clips from TWW Ganondorf. Not a perfect analogy, I know.

True, they did look quite different. But wasn't Ganon's appearance in TP a result of Twilight magic or something?

[Average Gamer]

Seeing as how OoT/TWW Ganon was depicted as blue in a stained glass window in TWW, I see the blue coloration as nothing more than part of the art style.

Not voting, just pointing that out.

[Person]

OoT Ganon looks way different from TP Ganon, and they're pretty much undeniably the same. If we're bringing design into it, I may as well point out that FSA Ganon uses voice clips from TWW Ganondorf. Not a perfect analogy, I know.

As for the Trident thing, that really depends on how you feel about A Trident vs. THE Trident.

He's still a human with green skin and red hair. Or did you mean the pig forms? Yeah. TP Ganon's pig form did seem closer to the classic version than OoT's demon-monster form.

As for the Trident, the closest thing we've seen OoT Ganon using is that pitchfork-spear thing that Phantom Ganon uses. If it was the ultimate super dark evil weapon that FSA says it is, why would his clone be using it when the real Ganon is never even seen to hold the thing?

However, we always see blue pig Ganon holding the Trident, (LoZ is the sole exception, and even then retcons to official art and BS Zelda mean he was supposed to have it even then) which FSA turns into the ultimate weapon that makes him King of Darkness.

The only connection Oracles Ganon has to OoT is Twinrova, and FSA Ganon's backstory could include them as he was a Gerudo as well.

[Sir Turtlelot]

Well, by appearance, it matches up with FSA Ganon.

However, from what evidence we do have, Twinrova was never affiliated with FSA Ganon, Twinrova only ever worked for OoT Ganon. It could be speculated that Twinrova somehow knew FSA Ganon, since they are both Gerudo, but it's still only speculation.

[Person]

You're right in that it's speculation to think that Twinrova knew FSA Ganon.

However, I'm of the interpretation that FSA Ganon is a reincarnation of OoT Ganon, so they're the same guy, essentially.

Ganon's death quote in TP implies that he will return anyway. FSA is probably the return he was talking about.

[joeymartin64]

He's still a human with green skin and red hair. Or did you mean the pig forms? Yeah. TP Ganon's pig form did seem closer to the classic version than OoT's demon-monster form.

Yeah, I meant the pig forms. I wouldn't throw this point up just because a guy put on some weight and grew a sexy, sexy beard. Hell, I did that.

And the Trident... eh. I don't know. I don't know if FSA meant to imply that all uses of Tridents are meant to be that particular weapon. Plus, with it being pretty clear-cut down 2D/3D lines, it strikes me as almost (though not quite) part of a design difference rather than a storyline one. You're free to disagree, of course, but I don't put too much stock in the thing.

Edited by joeymartin64, 01 September 2009 - 01:01 AM.

[MikePetersSucks]

I don't see an option for LTTP Ganon or LoZ Ganon, both of which strike me as more likely. This poll blows.

[ganonlord6000]

However, we always see blue pig Ganon holding the Trident, (LoZ is the sole exception, and even then retcons to official art and BS Zelda mean he was supposed to have it even then) which FSA turns into the ultimate weapon that makes him King of Darkness.

What official art shows that LOZ's Ganon was meat to have the trident? I beleive that he did have it in LOZ, but can you show me this artwork you mentioned?

[ganonlord6000]

I don't see an option for LTTP Ganon or LoZ Ganon, both of which strike me as more likely. This poll blows.

Don't most of us here believe that FSA's Ganon is ALTTP's Ganon and in turn LOZ's Ganon? I didn't think that including those would mean anything. And did any of you see what I thought was possible with Oracles Ganon about why he was revived as a demon? (You can see it towards the beginning of this thread)

[Masamune]

I think the image being referenced is this one: http://gallery.zelda...a...m=14&pos=27

This comes from the ALttP Player's Guide, so the trident was retroactively applied to the original Ganon in LoZ.

[Person]

It was also in the BS remake of the original game.

[MikePetersSucks]

Don't most of us here believe that FSA's Ganon is ALTTP's Ganon and in turn LOZ's Ganon? I didn't think that including those would mean anything. And did any of you see what I thought was possible with Oracles Ganon about why he was revived as a demon? (You can see it towards the beginning of this thread)

That's a load of bullshit. Sorry, but that's the simplest way to put it. Don't roadcone your polls to exclude people who disagree with you.

[ganonlord6000]

Don't most of us here believe that FSA's Ganon is ALTTP's Ganon and in turn LOZ's Ganon? I didn't think that including those would mean anything. And did any of you see what I thought was possible with Oracles Ganon about why he was revived as a demon? (You can see it towards the beginning of this thread)

That's a load of bullshit. Sorry, but that's the simplest way to put it. Don't roadcone your polls to exclude people who disagree with you.

Who do you think oracles Ganon is then? Oh. Why have OOT's, TWW's, and TP's Ganon added to this poll under seperate entries when we know that they are all OOT's Ganon?

[Masamune]

To be fair, we have reason to believe those are the same Ganons, since both in TWW and TP, we know it is the same as the OoT Ganondorf.

On the other hand, it would be perfectly reasonable to believe that the ALttP, FSA, Oracles, and Legend of Zelda Ganons are all different reincarnations, especially since none of them (save Oracles) provides any sort of reason on why Ganon has returned to the living.

[Showsni]

Don't most of us here believe that FSA's Ganon is ALTTP's Ganon and in turn LOZ's Ganon? I didn't think that including those would mean anything. And did any of you see what I thought was possible with Oracles Ganon about why he was revived as a demon? (You can see it towards the beginning of this thread)

That's a load of bullshit. Sorry, but that's the simplest way to put it. Don't roadcone your polls to exclude people who disagree with you.

Who do you think oracles Ganon is then? Oh. Why have OOT's, TWW's, and TP's Ganon added to this poll under seperate entries when we know that they are all OOT's Ganon?

For crazy people. They can always tick all of the boxes.

[ganonlord6000]

You could vote for both.

EDIT: Oh, and my vote's for OoT Ganon. I'm not going to get into any specifics, because my timeline would make people cry/explode.

I'd like to see your timeline. It can't possibly be as bad as other timelines I have seen on the web (I have seen some crazy theories in the last four years) and it would be interesting to see why you think that oracles Link is OOT's Ganon (even thoughI sort of believe this).

[joeymartin64]

You could vote for both.

EDIT: Oh, and my vote's for OoT Ganon. I'm not going to get into any specifics, because my timeline would make people cry/explode.

I'd like to see your timeline. It can't possibly be as bad as other timelines I have seen on the web (I have seen some crazy theories in the last four years) and it would be interesting to see why you think that oracles Link is OOT's Ganon (even thoughI sort of believe this).

Don't say I didn't warn you; it's a single timeline. Quoting myself from another thread:

Oy, bugger. I never got around to actually posting my timeline in that other thread, so I guess I'll do it here. I've included notes about relevant aspects and fanwankery as required.

TMC (Completely arbitrary; like Masa said, this damn thing can feasibly go pretty much anywhere pre-FS)
OoT-MM (Triforce is split)
TWW-PH (Triforce goes to Zelda, who doesn't realize it)
(Hyrule is revived/Deku Tree succeeds)
TP (Ganon reduced to spirit form, Triforce is reunited)
OoX (Master Sword not canon, Ganon is destroyed, Triforce is returned to Sacred Realm afterward)
FS-FSA (New Ganondorf)
(Imprisoning War)
ALttP-LA
(Zelda II backstory)
LoZ-AoL

For the OoT references is TWW, I assume (read: fanwank) that the bearers of the Triforce retain their memories upon returning to the past (this also accounts for OoT Zelda being where she shouldn't at that time.) Link would recount his tale, using his ToC as proof if his identity, and the whole shitstorm goes down as legend.

EDIT: Oh, yes, and Oracle Ganon is OoT Ganon because OoT Ganon is TP Ganon, who dies in TP and is revived as a mindless GANON SMASH Ganon in Oracle. I think I may have just set a new world record using the word "Ganon" that many times in one sentence.

Edited by joeymartin64, 05 September 2009 - 07:36 PM.

[ganonlord6000]

You could vote for both.

EDIT: Oh, and my vote's for OoT Ganon. I'm not going to get into any specifics, because my timeline would make people cry/explode.

I'd like to see your timeline. It can't possibly be as bad as other timelines I have seen on the web (I have seen some crazy theories in the last four years) and it would be interesting to see why you think that oracles Link is OOT's Ganon (even thoughI sort of believe this).

Don't say I didn't warn you; it's a single timeline. Quoting myself from another thread:

Oy, bugger. I never got around to actually posting my timeline in that other thread, so I guess I'll do it here. I've included notes about relevant aspects and fanwankery as required.

TMC (Completely arbitrary; like Masa said, this damn thing can feasibly go pretty much anywhere pre-FS)
OoT-MM (Triforce is split)
TWW-PH (Triforce goes to Zelda, who doesn't realize it)
(Hyrule is revived/Deku Tree succeeds)
TP (Ganon reduced to spirit form, Triforce is reunited)
OoX (Master Sword not canon, Ganon is destroyed, Triforce is returned to Sacred Realm afterward)
FS-FSA (New Ganondorf)
(Imprisoning War)
ALttP-LA
(Zelda II backstory)
LoZ-AoL

For the OoT references is TWW, I assume (read: fanwank) that the bearers of the Triforce retain their memories upon returning to the past (this also accounts for OoT Zelda being where she shouldn't at that time.) Link would recount his tale, using his ToC as proof if his identity, and the whole shitstorm goes down as legend.

EDIT: Oh, yes, and Oracle Ganon is OoT Ganon because OoT Ganon is TP Ganon, who dies in TP and is revived as a mindless GANON SMASH Ganon in Oracle. I think I may have just set a new world record using the word "Ganon" that many times in one sentence.

That actually wasn't that bad. That is by far the best single timeline I have seen and is similar to my current split timeline (check my signature for details). Twinrova is also an important detail here as she only served OOT's Ganon and wasn't shown or even mentioned in FSA. Your timeline actually made a lot more sense than all of the crazy theories I have seen put together.

[joeymartin64]

Yeah, I kind of ignored Twinrova; she just sort of popped up in the Oracle series, like so many other "HEY HEY LOOK WHO IT IS KIDS" characters in those games. The difference is that they were plot-important. Eh. I don't think it's that big a deal, really; as long as the Gerudo haven't totally died off, then another Twinrova can exist. But I don't think Twinrova is as much of a constant presence as Link, Zelda or Ganon.

[Pinecove]

True, they did look quite different. But wasn't Ganon's appearance in TP a result of Twilight magic or something?

Yes. Ganon in OoT is Ganon using the Triforce of Power to make himself Ganon. In TP Ganon simply uses the power of his piece of the Triforce against the Twilight to turn himself into a divine beast like Link does when he enters the Twilight curtain.

My opinion: OoX Ganon seems to quite obviosly be LoZ Ganon. He's Daimaou which is good enough for me, and he's also blue. Seems quite obvios to me.

Edited by Destiny, 07 September 2009 - 07:56 PM.