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[Zola Revolution]

We've all done it at some point, whether you want to admit it or not; changed our timeline theories.

I, myself have changed it many times over the passed 5 years. I have even reverted to former theories a couple of times.

As new Zelda games are released, even the creators may change their compilation of the timeline.

I have listed my most large changes in my timeline (I still have former accounts).

As of July 26, 2004;
OT:MM:WW:LP:OS:OA:LA:FS:FSA:BS:LZ:AL

As of December 29, 2005;
OT:MM:WW:MC:LP:OS:OA:LA:BS:LZ:AL:FS:FSA

As of December 13, 2006
OT:MM:WW:TP:BS:OS:OA:LZ:AL:MC:FS:FSA:LP:LA

March 2007: Finished "The Seven Points"

As of April 5, 2007
OT:MM:WW:TP:OS:OA:LP:LA:MC:LZ:AL:FS:FSA

As of November 15, 2007
OT:MM:WW:PH:TP:OS:OA:LP:MC:LZ:AL:FS:FSA

As of today (August 21, 2009)
OT:MM:WW:PH:TP:OS:OA:MC:LZ:AL:FS:FSA--LP?

Today I also came up with a split timeline based on the information I've received in the last week including today.

WW:TP:OS:OA:MC:FS:FSA
OT<
MM:PH:LA:BS:LP:LZ:AL

Currently awaiting the release of Spirit Tracks. Also I am checking resources to see which Link is the one in LA. Anyone have any ideas?

[Fin]

early 2000 (htloz.com timeline)
OoT/MM > LttP/LA > LoZ/AoL/FoE/WoG/ZA/cartoons and comics

late 2000 (dropped non-canon materials)
OoT/MM > LttP/LA > LoZ/AoL

2001 (Oracle games released)
OoT/MM > LttP/LA > OAS > LoZ/AoL

2003 (Wind Waker released)
OoT/MM > WW > LttP/LA > OAS > LoZ/AoL

2004 or 2005? (acknowledged split timeline)
OoT/MM > LttP/LA > OAS > LoZ/AoL
OoT > WW

mid 2006 (started considering FS series canon)
MC > OoT/MM > FS/FSA > LttP/LA > OAS > LoZ/AoL
MC > OoT > WW

2006/2007 (TP and PH released)
MC > OoT/MM > FS/FSA > TP > LttP/LA > OAS > LoZ/AoL
MC > OoT > WW/PH

2009 (joined LA - read up on the Japanese translations and became convinced of Impossible's timeline)
MC > OoT/MM > TP > FS/FSA > LttP/LA > LoZ/AoL > OAS
MC > OoT > WW/PH

[ganonlord6000]

These are some timelines I have come up with over the years:

Sometime in 2006: OOT--games in a random order--ALTTP/LA
mid 2006: OOT/MM--TWW/PH--ALTTP/OOX/LA--LOZ/AOL
Late 2006(This was when I first saw the gametrailers timeline,counted TMC and FSA as canon, and believed in the split timeline):
........../TP--TWW/PH--OOA
TMC
..........\MM--LA--LOZ/AOL--FSA--ALTTP--OOS

2007: placed oracles in the same timeline and placed TP in the child timeline.
2008 I found Impossible's timeline, printed it out and didn't bother to read the whole thing:
......................../TWW/PH----------------OOA
TMC--FSA--OOT
........................\TP--ALTTP--LOZ/AOL--OOS

2009: I joined LA and a bunch of other Zelda sites. I counted FS as canon. I Came up with several timelines at different times.

Timeline 1:
.............../TWW/PH
TMC--OOT
..............\MM--TP--FSA--ALTTP/OOX/LA--LOZ/AOL--non-canon materials (CD-I games not included)

Timeline 2:
..................../TWW/PH--ST--LOZ/AOL
TMC--FS--OOT
....................\MM--TP--FSA--ALTTP/LA--OOX

Timeline 3(This is the one I posted here):
............../TWW/PH--ST
TMC--OOT
..............\MM--TP--ALTTP/LA--FS/FSA--LOZ/AOL--OOX

Timeline 4(After reading Impossible's timeline):
............../TWW/PH--ST
TMC--OOT
..............\MM--TP--FS/FSA--ALTTP/LA--LOZ/AOL--OOX

It's amazing to see how our timelines change over time.

[Zola Revolution]

Strange revelation in my timeline...

Upon digging out old instruction manuals and reading them over again, I seem to have reverted to an earlier stage in my timeline, only in a modern sense...

(BS:)OT:MM:WW:PH:MC:TP:FS:FSA:OS:OA:LP:LA:LZ:AL

How I came to this was starting from the beginning of the Zelda series in real time:

1) LZ
2) BS:LZ:AL
3) BS:LP:LA:LZ:AL
4) BS:OT:LP:LA:LZ:AL
5) BS:OT:MM:LP:LA:LZ:AL
6) BS:OT:MM:OS:OA:LP:LA:LZ:AL
7) BS:OT:MM:FS:OA:OS:LP:LA:LZ:AL
8) BS:OT:MM:WW:FS:OA:OS:LP:LA:LZ:AL
9) BS:OT:MM:WW:FS:FSA:OA:OS:LP:LA:LZ:AL
10)BS:OT:MM:WW:MC:FS:FSA:OS:OA:LP:LA:LZ:AL
11)BS:OT:MM:WW:MC:TP:FS:FSA:OS:OA:LP:LA:LZ:AL
12)BS:OT:MM:WW:PH:MC:TP:FS:FSA:OS:OA:LP:LA:LZ:AL

but when I think a little more, it seems to come out as...

OT:MM:WW:PH:MC:ST:TP:BS:LP:LA:LZ:AL:OS:OA:FS:FSA
(DISCLAIMER:The Spirit Tracks is just a guess for now, it is most likely not to stay where it is. It is merely there for ideal purposes)
So I think I have it...?

I did the same basic thing with the split theory

----------MM:TP:BS:LP:LA:LZ:AL
BS:OT<
----------WW:PH:MC:FS:FSA:OS:OA

Then I revised it as...

-----MM:ST:TP:BS:LP:LA:OS:OA:LZ:AL
OT<
-----WW:PH:MC:FS:FSA

(DISCLAIMER:The Spirit Tracks is just a guess for now, it is most likely not to stay where it is. It is merely there for ideal purposes)

If not, I am sure it will transform as it has in the past. I believe the release of the next two games (ST and WiiProject) will change it.

Edited by リンクの獰猛な神, 23 August 2009 - 06:41 AM.

[Showsni]

When I was new to the game I had a crazy single Link theory, but since I thought of my current timeline (after TWW) I've stuck to it because it works so perfectly! Until TP came out. I'm loathe to adopt a split timeline because it would be impossible from the point of view of a true historian fitting together ancient writings to come up with a coherent history; like someone taking the Biblical account of the flood and the Sumerian one and thus assuming the world split into two timelines in the past... How then do we have both accounts??

[Zola Revolution]

Yeah, that's how I feel. However, it is officially implied. However x2, you can just keep your single timeline, anyway; like me. That way you can stretch your imagination to two timelines, one historical one and one split for the story.

[MikePetersSucks]

When I was new to the game I had a crazy single Link theory, but since I thought of my current timeline (after TWW) I've stuck to it because it works so perfectly! Until TP came out. I'm loathe to adopt a split timeline because it would be impossible from the point of view of a true historian fitting together ancient writings to come up with a coherent history; like someone taking the Biblical account of the flood and the Sumerian one and thus assuming the world split into two timelines in the past... How then do we have both accounts??

But those floods didn't both actually happen in the real world. they were both metaphors for a Mediterranean flood, back when people thought that was the whole damn world. Then it got exaggerated over myth, and voila. You can't extend that example to Hyrule, we're TWW and TP give us two irreconcilable, objectively real accounts.

[Zola Revolution]

Well, it could be the same thing here, Hyrule was the known world to them; and it flooded. There were no other lands mentioned before TW so Hyrule was their known world.

[Showsni]

You can't extend that example to Hyrule, we're TWW and TP give us two irreconcilable, objectively real accounts.

Exactly my point. Thus, the entire viewpoint of the series changes, or we adopt multiple timelines.

[Zola Revolution]

they were both metaphors for a Mediterranean flood, back when people thought that was the whole damn world.

I think that in the time OT takes place; they, too, thought that Hyrule was their whole world. I don't think there is any evidence that suggests they thought there was very much more out there; much less thinking, as a whole, that the world connected on all sides and was round. What do you think?

Edited by リンクの獰猛な神, 26 August 2009 - 08:02 AM.

[Masamune]

What does that have to do with anything?

[MikePetersSucks]

He's trying to cling on to an irrelevant tangent to try and look intelligent.

[Zola Revolution]

OK right here. How about saying that to me, not about me, eh? My point was that the Mediterranean floods weren't actually "The whole world flooding" as you said MikePetersSucks, but that example is extended to Hyrule since none of them knew that there was that much more out there in the world, they just knew about the world around them and took that as the whole world.

[SOAP]

The irrelevance of the current discussion confuses me and that makes me ANGRY. SOAP SMASH THREAD!!! RAWR!!!

*boomcrashsmash*

[Zola Revolution]

Alright the, so the topic is timeline metamorphosis, so let's discuss each our timeline metamorphoses.

[MikePetersSucks]

Just a quick note: No one in The Wind Waker ever says that the entire world is flooded, and infact acknowledge that it seems to only be Hyrule, due to the Gods acting and all that. Therefore your "clarification" was unneeded and unnecessary, and comes off as an attempt at looking wise.

[Zola Revolution]

OK. But for the sake of getting back on topic, can we just talk about how we transform our timelines or something timeline-related?

[Zola Revolution]

Rather strange revaluation in my timeline. As I played through both Mysterious Fruit of the Tree games again, I cam across a theory I have never came up with before. A second split in the timeline after the Chapter of Time and Space, and before the Chapter of Earth. I have receive much backlash concerning this new theory already; and I understand why. My past self would have obviously lashed back at me as well for coming up with such a theory. However, in a world where the Zelda timeline is already split; I must ask this question: Why not? The Legend(s) of Zelda is no longer for those who want to document the legends historically. Twilight Princess is a parallel of the Tact of Wind. Ocarina of Time has two endings. These are now facts. So, as I do not present my unconfirmed theories as fact; I present this theory knowing that no one will agree with me. That is fine. Many don't agree with one another when it comes to the timeline. It is almost expected for no one to see eye to eye about each others' timelines. Since the Zelda series has taken this creative twist under Aonuma's wings, I have taken it upon myself to make my best guess at what Aonuma has made the timeline to be; knowing I will likely be wrong in the end--much like everyone else other than Aonuma, who is the one who holds the true timeline.

My new theory is that when Link corrects the past and leaves it in MFTCST, he creates another tangent. One where life continues as usual and Twinrova fail to bring Ganon back. When Link returns to the future and stops Vernan, he returns to Hyrule; only to be called back out by the Triforce. As Twinrova are at it again, Link must defeat Onyx and go on to fight Twinrova. The events the occur afterwards would be the fight with Ganon, who Link would soon defeat. Meanwhile, in the past tangent, the events of Mysterious Hat go underway after generations since Link saved Labrynna. After the events in MFTCE in the present tangent, the events of the AL backstory commence.

I know many of you will see this and go; 'This is ridiculous.' but I say that it is no more ridiculous as Zelda story before OT, the first story of the Timeline.

[Zola Revolution]

I am now a believer in putting The Mysterious Hat first in the timeline. I found this in an interview in 2006.

Twilight Princess takes place between Ocarina of Time and The Wind Waker... As for Phantom Hourglass, as you may have guessed, it is a sequel to The Wind Waker... A Link to the Past and the NES games take place long after The Wind Waker.... Obviously Four Swords Adventures takes place before A Link to the Past; we designed that game to be a prequel to that game. Four Swords has to come before that, and The Minish Cap before them all.
--Eiji Aonuma

This, of course, goes against earlier comments made by Aonuma and Miyamoto:

Ocarina of Time is the first story
--Miyamoto

–When does Twilight Princess take place?

Aonuma: In the world of Ocarina of Time, a hundred and something years later.

–And the Wind Waker?

Aonuma: The Wind Waker is parallel. In Ocarina of Time, Link flew seven years in time, he beat Ganon and went back to being a kid, remember? Twilight Princess takes place in the world of Ocarina of Time, a hundred and something years after the peace returned to kid Link’s time.

Q: Where does The Wind Waker fit into the overall Zelda series timeline?
Aonuma: You can think of this game as taking place over a hundred years after Ocarina of Time. You can tell this from the opening story, and there are references to things from Ocarina located throughout the game as well.
Miyamoto: Well, wait, which point does the hundred years start from?
Aonuma: From the end.
Miyamoto: No, I mean, as a child or as a...
Aonuma: Oh, right, let me elaborate on that. Ocarina of Time basically has two endings of sorts; one has Link as a child and the other has him as an adult. This game, The Wind Waker, takes place a hundred years after the adult Link defeats Ganon at the end of Ocarina.

[Masamune]

Again, that's a quote made up by TSA as an April Fool's joke.

His legacy lives on.

[Zola Revolution]

...eh, what? Man, I am a fool right now. lol

Edited by Zola Revolution, 30 August 2009 - 08:06 AM.

[Zola Revolution]

So, uh...never mind my post regarding the quote. It is obviously a mistake. Just another learning lesson, I suppose. Anyway, I have set it back to normal and I am back to doubting Mysterious Hat's placement at the beginning of the timeline. Unless someone can bring me good evidence that it does?

Edited by Zola Revolution, 30 August 2009 - 08:55 AM.

[Zola Revolution]

Someone in Zelda Universe pointed this out to me. My timeline was as such:

-----MM:TP:BS:BS2:MH:FS:FS+:TG:DI:MFTCTS:MFTCE:HFLZ:AL
OT<
-----TW:HF

However, in Zelda Universe, I received a personal message regarding the names of the towns in AL. *Smacked forehead*I felt as a fool.

Of course the towns wouldn't be named after sages that only existed in an unknown alternate tangent!

So, upon switching BS:HFLZ:AL to the adult tangent; I came upon a problem. If the Backstory happened long before HFLZ, then there would have to be quite a bit of time between the two stories. I was ready to give up. With my school work becoming more frequent and lack of time to be able to figure out the timeline; I decided to go on a little bit of a hiatus for the time being. However, my friends and I got together a couple of weekends ago and they convinced me to work on it on only weekends. So, my friends and I worked have been working on the timeline over the internet (we all don't attend the same University) for the last three weekends and the passed three-day weekend was enough to finish the timeline for now.

We had concluded that since TG:DI was already a prequel to HFLZ:AL, we'd just put those two before HFLZ. Also, since BS2:MH:FS:FS+ were linked to TG:DI, we'd decided to move that to the adult tangent as well.

In the end, we came up with this:
-----MM:TP
OT<
-----TW:HF:BS:BS2:MH:FS:FS+:TG:DI:MFTCTS:MFTCE:HFLZ:AL

We had concluded that when the descendant of the Hero of Time had killed Ganondorf in the child tangent, it was enough to save Hyrule for all time in that tangent (at least until new games come out).

[Masamune]

I don't think I get it. What's the point of having a split timeline if you're going to go by the idea that Hyrule is recreated following The Wind Waker? I can understand at least putting LoZ and TAoL there (since the old Hyrule actually IS gone in those games), but I don't see any reason to put the rest of the franchise in the Adult Timeline.

[Zola Revolution]

Because TG:DI is a prequel to those games (as is the Backstory) and the Four Swords games (as well as the backstory to these) are a prequel to TG according to the rerelease of TG.

Like I have said before (somewhere), I am now a believer of the fact that the changes that Aonuma made for the rereleases count because he is making the stories fit his timeline, I believe.

Also, if Hyrule is recreated in one story, why couldn't it be recreated in other games, too? I thought you said (somewhere) that geography doesn't matter.

Edited by Zola Revolution, 08 September 2009 - 10:31 PM.