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[Zola Revolution]

There have been some theories carelessly thrown around about who it was that Link set out to find. Most say it was Navi. Some others say it was Zelda. However, there is one theory that is overlooked.

Throughout the game, there are many hints (especially the ending) which pointed me to the fact that it was the Skull Kid he was looking for. After the Stone Tower was completed, the fourth giant said to Link "Forgive your friend." Also, the Skull Kid wanted to be friends with Link, but then said that he had the same scent as the fairy child who came and taught him the song, where they first became friends, of course. Also, the mask salesman said: "Shouldn't you be returning home, as well? Whenever there is a meeting, a parting is sure to follow. However, that parting need not last forever...Whether a parting lasts forever or merely for a short time...That is up to you." After the salesman departs, Tatl tells Link "Well, both of us have gotten what we were after" At the end, Link is seen riding through the woods, then he speeds into one direction, leaving behind a a carving of himself, the skull kid, the four giants, Tael, and Tatl; then, a tune of Saria's Song as it all ends.

Unless anyone can prove otherwise, this will stand as is.

So, can you prove me wrong?

[Showsni]

Well, the Skull Kid in Majora's Mask isn't seen in Ocarina of Time, for starters. Note that in Ocarina, when Link plays Saria's song the skull kids recognise it; it's because he knows Saria's song that they become friendly. He doesn't teach it to them. Presumably, Saria teaches it to them; it is possible Link smells like Saria, I guess. So Link and Skull Kid have never met before. Even if Skull Kid were seen in OoT, he'd hardly be called Link's "dear friend."

The giants are talking to Tatl. She's the one who was just talking to them, asking them to do something about Skull Kid; they're sad because they don't want to hurt their friend, and they think Tatl should forgive him too. Skull Kid is Tatl's friend, not Link's.

By the end of the game, Link has made friends with Skull Kid, Tatl and Tael, but it's his parting with Tatl that the HMS is mostly referring to, as they've become good friends over the adventure.

The "What we were after" Tatl mentions is referring back to the deal they made that was the reason they were travelling together:

You wanna know about that
Skull Kid who just ran off, right?

Well, I just so happen to have an
idea of where he might be going.

Take me with you and I'll help
you out. Deal?

Please?

Good! So then it's
settled!

Now then, I'll be your partner...
or at least until we catch that
Skull Kid...

Now that they've caught Skull Kid, got back Link's stuff and reunited her with Tael, their ostensible reason for staying together is gone.

And, finally, it really is Navi he's searching for; that's why it plays the noise Navi makes immediately after it mentions it. And she's probably the only dear friend with whom we know Link has parted ways after OoT.

[Impossible]

It does seem to be implied that the Skull Kid is the same one Link played Saria's Song for in OoT, I wouldn't play around with the semantics. In fact, when MM first came out, I thought the Skull Kid could be the friend Link wanted to find again, because it fit more with the overall story than someone completely unrelated who was never mentioned and Link just randomly thought might be in the Lost Woods. I really don't think it's possible, though. Several references to the one Link is searching for don't fit with Skull Kid at all. I even seem to recall there being some very strong evidence of it specifically being Navi, but I can't remember now. We need to get those Japanese sites I posted translated...

[Fin]

I believe the friend he's looking for is described as having an important role in his last adventure (sorry, I'm too lazy to look up the line right now ). Also, as Shownsi said, right after this we hear Navi's trademark fairy noise. It soon turns out to be Tatl and/or Tael, of course, but I don't think the immediate effect can be ignored.

[Zola Revolution]

Yes. All very good points. I do agree that the Navi-voice at the end is quite significant. However, I also remember after Link taught the Skull Kid the song, he asked if they could be friends; and since Link doesn't talk in the games, I would assume he said yes. Also, what led me to believe this the most is that the Mask salesman was sure that Link should return home (as was he) because of what Tatl said "...both of us have gotten what we were after." After that Link rides off after the carving-part and then Saria's song. I know I am repeating myself, but that was kind of the turning point(s) for me.

Also, I didn't catch it the first two times I beat the game, but the next time after that was the first time I noticed that she sounded just like Navi. I've never had this question answered fully, but, could that mean that Tatl is Navi. Although, as I ask myself this, I realize that Navi was blue and Tatl is yellow. So, I don't realy know what that could mean; unless it's just the way a fairy exclaims...? I don't know, but all of you have brought up some interesting points thus far.

[Crimson Lego]

I'm not completely sure that the 'friend' was the Skull Kid in the Lost Woods whom Link taught Saria's Song. I'm not doubting the fact they are the same Skull Kid, but since Navi is shown flying out of the Temple of Time at the end of OoT, it would seem obvious that Link is looking for her.

After the Stone Tower was completed, the fourth giant said to Link "Forgive your friend."

I think in that part of the game, the Giants were probably speaking to Tatl about the Skull Kid and all the evil things he had done; it didn't specifically mean Link.

After the salesman departs, Tatl tells Link "Well, both of us have gotten what we were after"

At the beginning, Tatl said that if Link helped her find the Skull Kid, Tael, or some crap like that, she would help him get back into his normal form. That's probably what the comment meant.

[Zola Revolution]

I think in that part of the game, the Giants were probably speaking to Tatl about the Skull Kid and all the evil things he had done; it didn't specifically mean Link.

Well, what I was thinking was that the giant was talking to both of them, as your could be plural and singular. I, actually, want to see the japanese version of what the giant said, because the word for your in japanese is different between plural and singular.

Also, this is something I have been thinking about, in Wind Waker, both the legend and King of Red Lions say that the Hero of Time never returned to Hyrule. If he had truly found his friend in the Skull Kid, he would've returned to Hyrule, correct? So, this could mean that it was Navi. Although, as I think about this, I also think about how Navi originated from the Kokiri Forest in Hyrule, so why would she leave her home? So, could this mean he was looking for Zelda? I don't think so, because before he embarked on his journey to find his friend; she gave Link the Ocarina of Time.

Hmmm....

[Crimson Lego]

Also, this is something I have been thinking about, in Wind Waker, both the legend and King of Red Lions say that the Hero of Time never returned to Hyrule.

I think MM was probably part of the Child Timeline, when Link was sent back 7 years, since in the game, he still appears as a child. In the Adult Timeline where Ganondorf was sealed in the Sacred Realm/Dark World, Link would never have returned anyways.

I also think about how Navi originated from the Kokiri Forest in Hyrule, so why would she leave her home?

To help Link save Hyrule.

So, could this mean he was looking for Zelda?

At the end of OoT, I believe Link found Princess Zelda in Hyrule Castle and warned her of all the destruction that would occur with Ganondorf. Plus, Zelda appears as a vision in MM when Link learns the Song of Time; she said something about him leaving on a journey; therefore, it's highly unlikely that Link would be looking for somebody he already found.

[Zola Revolution]

At the end of OoT, I believe Link found Princess Zelda in Hyrule Castle and warned her of all the destruction that would occur with Ganondorf. Plus, Zelda appears as a vision in MM when Link learns the Song of Time; she said something about him leaving on a journey; therefore, it's highly unlikely that Link would be looking for somebody he already found.

Indeed.

I think MM was probably part of the Child Timeline, when Link was sent back 7 years, since in the game, he still appears as a child. In the Adult Timeline where Ganondorf was sealed in the Sacred Realm/Dark World, Link would never have returned anyways.

In the split timeline theory, it would be in the child timeline. However, I still don't believe in the split timeline theory, because my single timeline has just as much evidence as the split timeline. Besides, in the split timeline, WW and MM have to be on the same line because the King of Red Lions tells the soon-to-be Hero of Winds about the events in MM and how he never returned to hyrule afterwards.

About Navi leaving home, what I meant was that why would she not go back to Kokiri Forest, her home, after she helped Link save Hyrule.

[Zola Revolution]

In the split timeline theory, it would be in the child timeline.

This is why I don't think the split timeline theory works. You see, I just made an error in the comment above. Majora's mask and Wind Waker cannot go on separate lines. Yet Majora's Mask has to go on the child line because he goes as a child after being sent back in time. Wind Waker has to go on the adult line because he is sent back in time and never returns to Hyrule there, either. Also, Twilight Princess and Wind Waker are parallels.

It makes more sense to say that the timeline does not split because Link is sent back in time (and Zelda follows) and then Link embarks on his quest for his friend (presumably Navi...but I don't know.) and never returns for he never found his friend [maybe]. Decades later, Ganondorf frees himself from the sacred realm (the sacred realm knows no earthly time) and wreaks havoc on Hyrule once more where the land is flooded and Hyrule is preserved; which was also where Ganondorf also made refuge during that time.

And the rest is what it is, with no splits...just the way I like it.

Edited by リンクの獰猛な神, 21 August 2009 - 11:30 AM.

[MikePetersSucks]

He was looking for Navi. Leitmotifs are your friend.

[Zola Revolution]

He was looking for Navi. Leitmotifs are your friend.

OK, present evidence and I will believe you. I have received evidence that it was not the Skull Kid even though it seemed it was strongly implied throughout and especially toward the end. I don't think it was Navi because her home was the Kokiri Forest, she would have been near him after he saved Hyrule, the whole time.

[Person]

He was looking for Navi. Leitmotifs are your friend.

OK, present evidence and I will believe you. I have received evidence that it was not the Skull Kid even though it seemed it was strongly implied throughout and especially toward the end. I don't think it was Navi because her home was the Kokiri Forest, she would have been near him after he saved Hyrule, the whole time.

It plays Navi's voice sound and Navi's theme music in the prologue. We see Navi leave Link at the end, and the Skull Kid was hardly Link's dearest friend. They were acquaintances at best.

And Navi left her home in the Kokiri forest at the end of the game, that's why Link goes looking for her.

As for what MPS said about Leitmotifs, a Leitmotif is a piece of music associated with a character meant to convey something without saying it. For instance, we know Agahnim is realy Ganon in ALttP because they share theme music.

[Zola Revolution]

And Navi left her home in the Kokiri forest at the end of the game, that's why Link goes looking for her.

Can you show me where you found this piece of information?

[Crimson Lego]

And Navi left her home in the Kokiri forest at the end of the game, that's why Link goes looking for her.

Can you show me where you found this piece of information?

Even though Ganondorf is defeated and peace is restored, in the ending, Navi is seen departing from Hyrule in the Temple of Time, where she soars towards the lit window and is never seen again. The reason for her departure is never ascertained.

Exactly why Link went looking for her.

[Zola Revolution]

Well, what I meant was; was there any proof that she didn't just go back to the forest or anywhere else.

Once again, I apologize for the vagueness.

[Crimson Lego]

Well...I would guess the term 'departing from Hyrule' indicates she didn't go back to the Forest.

[Zola Revolution]

Who did you quote by the way?

[Crimson Lego]

Zeldapedia, if I remember correctly. I think it was the article on Navi.

[Zola Revolution]

Oh, not Aonuma or Miyamoto? Anyone who writes articles for a website could make that up. I'm going to need stronger proof than that...

[Person]

Oh, not Aonuma or Miyamoto? Anyone who writes articles for a website could make that up. I'm going to need stronger proof than that...

Just watch the ending for OoT. She flies out the window and doesn't stay with Link. She is not with Link in the prologue of MM. Put 2 and 2 together.

[Crimson Lego]

I've got a theory....

In the MM intro, it shows Link and Epona traveling through some unknown part of the Lost Woods. I don't think fairies would randomly fly around in some cursed place where people turn into Skull Kids. And since he didn't or had already checked the Kokiri Forest, I think that rules out the fact Navi returned back home.

[spunky-monkey]

There have been some theories carelessly thrown around about who it was that Link set out to find. Most say it was Navi. Some others say it was Zelda. However, there is one theory that is overlooked.

You say Theory? What theories are you referring to and from what source did you quote them from? Its already common knowledge that Link was on a secret personal journey looking for any possible whereabouts for his beloved friend Navi; I'm honestly not sure why anyone would speculate it could ever be Zelda. MM drops various hints that he's looking for his fairy companion, even to have Deku Link stare fondly at Tatl in one scene, to which Tatl is puzzled. Obviously implying Link is reminded of his old friend by her appearance. It's kind of a dead giveaway.

Throughout the game, there are many hints (especially the ending) which pointed me to the fact that it was the Skull Kid he was looking for. After the Stone Tower was completed, the fourth giant said to Link "Forgive your friend." Also, the Skull Kid wanted to be friends with Link, but then said that he had the same scent as the fairy child who came and taught him the song, where they first became friends, of course. Also, the mask salesman said: "Shouldn't you be returning home, as well? Whenever there is a meeting, a parting is sure to follow. However, that parting need not last forever...Whether a parting lasts forever or merely for a short time...That is up to you." After the salesman departs, Tatl tells Link "Well, both of us have gotten what we were after" At the end, Link is seen riding through the woods, then he speeds into one direction, leaving behind a a carving of himself, the skull kid, the four giants, Tael, and Tatl; then, a tune of Saria's Song as it all ends.

Yeah, except for the fact Link and the Skull Kid were never really "friends", he sorta became friends with the little imp at the end of Majora's Mask but not before. No one who hasn't played the game from start to finish would ever claim that. Don't just take my word for it, check Link's expression here - Do these guys even look remotely like buddies?

http://www.zeldadung...1_SkullKid1.jpg

No, didn't think so.

After that Link rides off after the carving-part and then Saria's song.

So you regard Saria's Song as evidence he was looking for Skull Kid, yet completely disregard Navi's sound effect at the prologue when it expands on Link's journey looking for a beloved friend. Interesting...

Can you show me where you found this piece of information?

OoT ending.

http://www.zeldadung...its35_Large.jpg

Oh, not Aonuma or Miyamoto? Anyone who writes articles for a website could make that up. I'm going to need stronger proof than that...

Its funny you should say that when you ignore the split timeline presented by none other than Eiji Aonuma. What would you accept as proof if you don't acknowledge the creators/directors of the gaming franchise?

Edited by spunky-monkey, 21 August 2009 - 04:09 PM.

[LinkisZelda]

There have been some theories carelessly thrown around about who it was that Link set out to find. Most say it was Navi. Some others say it was Zelda. However, there is one theory that is overlooked.

Throughout the game, there are many hints (especially the ending) which pointed me to the fact that it was the Skull Kid he was looking for. After the Stone Tower was completed, the fourth giant said to Link "Forgive your friend." Also, the Skull Kid wanted to be friends with Link, but then said that he had the same scent as the fairy child who came and taught him the song, where they first became friends, of course. Also, the mask salesman said: "Shouldn't you be returning home, as well? Whenever there is a meeting, a parting is sure to follow. However, that parting need not last forever...Whether a parting lasts forever or merely for a short time...That is up to you." After the salesman departs, Tatl tells Link "Well, both of us have gotten what we were after" At the end, Link is seen riding through the woods, then he speeds into one direction, leaving behind a a carving of himself, the skull kid, the four giants, Tael, and Tatl; then, a tune of Saria's Song as it all ends.

Unless anyone can prove otherwise, this will stand as is.

So, can you prove me wrong?

All zelda games are bullshit because the hookshot defies the laws of physics and gravity...
Link is also gay because he wears a skirt and his best friend is a fairy... i am waiting for them to make Zelda the Boner of Time so i can see link finally fuck a chick or at least see him get anal raped by ganndorf

[Zola Revolution]

As I assume you are a drop-out kid, I am sure that you know nothing of physics or even gravity. It is called a tunic and warriors wore it in the middevil times. He only has a fairy as a companion in two of the fourteen games. You are a fail troll and if you hate zelda so much, don't come here and annoy us about it.

[Selena]

Dear Zelda People:


Behaved like civilized, well mannered adults. Otherwise your stay here at Legends Alliance will be a short one. Go to GameFAQ's if you want to flame people.

[MikePetersSucks]

Quick thing to note: Let's assume that Navi's home in Kokiri Forest is where she should of logically went. Do you not think that Link, if he was looking for her, didn't check there first? But wait, he doesn't find her, and he looks in the place right NEXT to Kokiri Forest: The Lost Woods.

[TheAvengerLever]

All zelda games are bullshit because the hookshot defies the laws of physics and gravity...
Link is also gay because he wears a skirt and his best friend is a fairy... i am waiting for them to make Zelda the Boner of Time so i can see link finally fuck a chick or at least see him get anal raped by ganndorf

There is sufficient in-game evidence to support the theory that Link is gay.


For instance, in Alttp when entering the Dark World he becomes a pink bunny. Sounds fishy, folks.

[Hana-Nezumi]

All zelda games are bullshit because the hookshot defies the laws of physics and gravity...
Link is also gay because he wears a skirt and his best friend is a fairy... i am waiting for them to make Zelda the Boner of Time so i can see link finally fuck a chick or at least see him get anal raped by ganndorf

There is sufficient in-game evidence to support the theory that Link is gay.


For instance, in Alttp when entering the Dark World he becomes a pink bunny. Sounds fishy, folks.

Yesh, when somebody enters the Dark World, they take the shape that reflects what's in their heart. X3


But actually I don't think LttP Link was gay, since he dreamed up Marin in LA. So he's either bisexual or hetero...


OoT Link though, only seemed attracted to Zelda when she was Sheik. :3




On topic, yeah, it's most likely that he was looking for Navi. The point of the Link/Skullkid friend-centric ending was that even though Link missed his old friend and hoped to find her again, he could still have other adventures and friendships along the way.

Edited by enchantedtoast, 23 August 2009 - 12:37 AM.

[Zola Revolution]

To converse about Link's sexuality, Link is never shown falling in love with any of the female characters or really anyone. Zelda kissed Link at the end of Zelda II, but that was it; and that was behind the curtains. So, I don't see how anyone could come to the conclusion that he was even ever interested in romance at all. Twilight Princess: We could assume he was in love with Ilia, but they never show that or make it clear that he was attracted to her.

Anyways, I do see MikePetersSucks's point about Link not finding Navi in the forest and such. I was aware that it seemed that Link was in the Lost Woods. When I first played the game I thought it was Navi that he was looking for. However, when I got to the end and it seemed to imply the Skull Kid, I just thought it was a clever twist. I do see, now, all of your very good points pointing in Navi's direction.