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Posted 20 October 2004 - 03:53 PM

This is my theory on how all the Zelda games fit together into one timeline. It uses a multiple-Link approach. Feel free to point out errors etc.

:tri: LINK I: HERO OF TIME :tri:
1. Ocarina of Time (the commonly accepted start of the timeline)
2. Majora's Mask (because it stars Young Link from OoT)

:tri: LINK II: HERO OF WINDS :tri:
1. The Wind Waker (because somewhere in the game it says that the Triforce has only been split into its 3 parts once before - in OoT)
2. Realistic Zelda - the GCN Zelda game coming in 2005 with the cool graphics (because the game's creators have said this will be a sequel to TWW)

:tri: LINK III: HERO OF FOUR HEROES :tri:
1. The Minish Cap (because the game's creators have said this is a prequel to the Four Swords games)
2. Four Swords (because the storyline only mentions one previous defeat of Vaati - in TMC)
3. Four Swords Adventures (because the storyline mentions that Vaati was beaten twice before - in TMC and FS)

:tri: LINK IV: HERO OF TRAVELS :tri:
1. A Link to the Past (would his uncle really have let him go on quests before he was killed?) (NOTE: When it says at the end of ALttP, "And the Master Sword sleeps again... FOREVER!" it makes sense because in no subsequent games does Link ever get it again.)
2. Oracle of Ages/Oracle of Seasons (because the Triforce is complete and in Hyrule Castle at the time - it could only be there because Link brought it back from the Dark World in ALttP)
3. Link's Awakening (because at the end of OoA/OoS final credits after beating Ganon, Link is seen sailing off in a boat like the one he is in at the beginning of LA)

:tri: LINK V: HERO OF THE TRIFORCE :tri:
1. The Legend of Zelda (because it doesn't really fit anywhere else!)
2. The Adventure of Link (because the manual states that this is set just after LoZ)

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 03:59 PM

I think you need to elaborate on your thoughts, and how you will work around apparant inconsistencies.

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 05:00 PM

Oh boys! Where to begin... :s:

Okay, first of all, if you say you're going by what the creators say then the TMC should be first since it's said to be the backstory to why all the Links wear their trademark green hats. And of course, the FS series would come after that since they're the "earliest" in the series. But that's if you truly want to go by what the creators said.

LINK I: HERO OF TIME
1. Ocarina of Time (the commonly accepted start of the timeline)
2. Majora's Mask (because it stars Young Link from OoT)

No probs so far...

LINK II: HERO OF WINDS
1. The Wind Waker (because somewhere in the game it says that the Triforce has only been split into its 3 parts once before - in OoT)
2. Realistic Zelda - the GCN Zelda game coming in 2005 with the cool graphics (because the game's creators have said this will be a sequel to TWW)


That's more wishful thinking than anything else. We don't know any details as towhether or not the realistic Zelda is indeed the sequel to TWW.

LINK III: HERO OF FOUR HEROES

Okay, this title hasn't been given to any of the Links that I know of...

1. The Minish Cap (because the game's creators have said this is a prequel to the Four Swords games)


Yeah. A prequel that takes place hundreds of years before the FS series. This is before Vaati was sealed and still in his "human" form. So this is not the same Link from the FS series. As for the Title of this Link, I believe it was the Hero of Man.

2. Four Swords (because the storyline only mentions one previous defeat of Vaati - in TMC)
3. Four Swords Adventures (because the storyline mentions that Vaati was beaten twice before - in TMC and FS)

Nothing's wrong with putting these two together...

LINK IV: HERO OF TRAVELS


Okay, that title belong more to your third Link. I don't think ALttP's Link was given an official title but if you're going to pin him with the Link from the Oracle series then the proper title is the Hero of Seasons and Ages. Though, I prefer Hero of Essences myself.

1. A Link to the Past (would his uncle really have let him go on quests before he was killed?) (NOTE: When it says at the end of ALttP, "And the Master Sword sleeps again... FOREVER!" it makes sense because in no subsequent games does Link ever get it again.)
2. Oracle of Ages/Oracle of Seasons (because the Triforce is complete and in Hyrule Castle at the time - it could only be there because Link brought it back from the Dark World in ALttP)
3. Link's Awakening (because at the end of OoA/OoS final credits after beating Ganon, Link is seen sailing off in a boat like the one he is in at the beginning of LA)

Nothing wrong with that.

LINK V: HERO OF THE TRIFORCE


Again, you got the titles wrong. This Link is the Hero of Hyrule.

1. The Legend of Zelda (because it doesn't really fit anywhere else!)
2. The Adventure of Link (because the manual states that this is set just after LoZ)


Nothing wrong with that either. All in all, I think you need to elaborate more.

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 07:58 PM

Er...only Hero of Time and Hero of Winds are official titles.

Minish Cap, judging by certain data we have obtained, is thought to be in the very beginning. this is a seperate link from the FS link. then we go to OOT. things go by. after TWW2 we jump to LTTP. This is a seperate Link from Oracles Link, because of Oracles Link owned the Triforce, he could simply wish for Holodrum and Labbrynna to be saved. Everything else is fine. YAY! ^^

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 09:31 PM

Uh, no. I believe Hero of Seasons and Ages is mentioned in the linked ending of the Oracles. Dunno about Hero of Hyrule though but I'm sure they're either mentioned in the games or the manuals.

Hero of Essences is just something someone coined on another forum.

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 01:38 AM

Erm, I did make up Link III's title but I have seen all the other 4 on other sites at least once. But then again, I have seen "Hero of Hyrule"as well as "Hero of the Triforce" used for Link V and "Hero of Men" (for one of the Links, I'm not sure if it was Four Swords Link) somewhere... sorry!
I saw an interview once where Miyamoto and Aonuma said the realistic Zelda was a sequel to TWW, but they might have gone back on that later. I never checked. Sorry.
I think both "Hero of Travels" and "Hero of Essences" (I have seen both in the Oracle games!) could refer to Link III. Also, "This is a seperate Link from Oracles Link, because of Oracles Link owned the Triforce, he could simply wish for Holodrum and Labbrynna to be saved," (sorry, I can't put in quotes for some reason) well, I think in one of the games (OoT?) it says when someone touches the Triforce they can get ONE wish. And that would have already been used up at the end of ALttP.
Sorry about the Minish Cap, I do have a feeling though it might be the same Link because I don't seem to remember anyone saying it comes hundreds of years before the FS games, and it fits with the whole Four Sword/Vaati thing.
You're right Mario Jr. I did need to elaborate more!!! Maybe I just need to look at a few more interviews and check on where the new games might come....

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 04:51 AM

titan_monarch:

I'm afraid that what Mario Jr. meant by explaining your theory further was giving us more detailed information about the background of the games, and putting them into a cohesive story.

Let me be one of the first to tell you that trying to come up with a cohesive storyline takes A LOT of work. You have to gather every little tiny detail, and make sure that no inconsistencies exist, otherwise your entire theory will be scrutinized for being incorrect. I've been a member of these forums for a little under 2 years now, and have seen as many different timeline theories as I have hairs on my head.

The one thing that seems to ring true throughout all of these theories is that no matter how deeply we go digging, there always appears to be something that doesn't go with one of the other games in the sequence in which we have them. You can call it creator's license or whatever you want, but the games just don't fit together seamlessly; they can't. It would be far too difficult for us to make them go together perfectly because it would take more research than anyone here has time for.

I commend you on the work you've done on your own, and for the most part, your theory has some merit, but if you want it to flow, you're going to need some more substantial proof to back it up. If you need any help getting more info, try searching through the rest of the forum threads on this topic, and you should find plenty. If I can help you at all, feel free to message back, because that's what we're all here for, to try and figure out which order they go in.

Good luck!!

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 05:06 AM

Quite alright. I've been thinking of doing a timeline myself based exclusively on quotes from the creators themselves. A small preview of what I'm going with is:

___________________________MM - LoZ, AoL - ALttP - LA
TMC - OoT(p) - Timeline Splits <
___________________________OoT(f) - FS, FSA - TWW

I'll elaborate on it more later too. It's still under the works. I'll also explain why I didn't put the FS at the begining even though Eiji has stated it was the earliest in the timeline. This is not my personal theory though. For one, I'm a Loopie not a Spliter. This is just something I've been tossing around for a while now. Let's see what I come up with. :cool:

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 08:41 PM

Just to make a point, you can't believe EVERYTHING you read on the internet. LTTP ITSELF says the Triforce serves it's master for as long as they live. and even if he did use up his one wish, he can just claim it again.

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 01:57 AM

I have realised a way to back up my theory, at least as to which Zelda games fit in which era: graphic styles. LoZ and AoL both use very pixelated sprites. OoT and MM both use the same graphic style, as do all the Four Swords games (TMC, FS and FSA.) The new realistic Zelda (some call it Zelda Reborn), it has been claimed by the game designers, uses a modified version of the Wind Waker graphic engine. ALttP is a bit of an anomaly, but certain things, like the design of the shrubs and signs, indicate a graphic style that is in some way related to that of the Oracle games and LA. This took a very long time to come up with, I hope it stands as possible evidence to back up my theory.

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 06:20 AM

I don't see how graphics relate to the story at all, they relate to the console on which the game is released.

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 10:24 AM

I agree with Spikey there, I mean, if you were to claim that graphic styles were the main component of timline there would be all sorts of problems. LoZ would have nothing to do with AoL because of the huge difference in approach, you never see a sidescrolling link in the first one do you? ALttP, LA, Oracles, FS, and FSA would all be put together, besides the differences in the appearance of Link all of them are the same style. WW is in a world all it's own. OoT and MM would go together, which in my opinion is the only part of the series to back up the graphics thing. The upcoming Zelda game would fit in nowhere, the most likely place if graphics are the main factor would be somewhere grouped with OoT and MM, but even then, the styles are so different that it would be unlikely.

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After a couple rereading, the whole graphics thing doesn't work, but what you're saying seems to be based on time of release and not graphics style at all. In that case it works for the most part. Generally speaking I find that the games that are released in close proximity or one after another, with similar technology fit together on the timeline. Of course, this is very debatable, depending on your own personal time line.

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Posted 06 November 2004 - 09:31 PM

Well..

Aonuma said FS was the earliest in the timeline...FSA being sometime after that..so what we have:

FS>FSA

Then we have OoT, since that was the original first, from what I see, HA links to OoT because HA seems like the very first time Ganondorf got his powers. So:

FS>FSA>OoT

Then, several months later, we have Majora's Mask:

FS>FSA>OoT>MM

Ok, the Wind Waker comes after this, if you ask why, I will explain but for now...

FS>FSA>OoT>MM>TWW

Now, I believe Alttp came several years after TWW, how it came to be, I don't know, we don't know.so..

FS>FSA>OoT>MM>TWW>Alttp

Ok, according to the LA instruction booklet..LA picks up right after Alttp (I think)..soo

FS>FSA>OoT>MM>TWW>Alttp>LA

I also believe the Oracles are after LA, we don't know, and they dont have to go in any specific order so..

FS>FSA>OoT>MM>TWW>Alttp>LA>Oracles

Next, I believe the LoZ comes several years after The oracles...so..

FS>FSA>OoT>MM>TWW>Alttp>LA>Oracles>LoZ

Now, it IS official that AoL is after LoZ so..

FS>FSA>OoT>MM>TWW>Alttp>LA>Oracles>LoZ>AoL

There, half of that timeline is official. Specifically OoT>MM LoZ>AoL Alttp>LA (I think) and FS>HA.

Also, see how I didn't place Zelda 2k5 and TMC anywhere? You know why? BECAUSE WE DON"T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THEM TIMELINE WISE. *ahem* Sorry.

Anyways, I will explain why TWW comes after OoT:

Take TWW intro:

This boy, who traveled through time to save the land, was known as the Hero of Time. The boy's tale was passed down through generations until it became legend.


There we go, mentions OoT Link. OoT Link was the Hero of Time. We don't know if being 17 in Hyrule was still being considered a boy, theres [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of thing to go there, but back on subject.

The Hero of Time Statue And the Sage-Glass Windows :-p:

Ok, this shows an Adult Link. This goes with the time Aonuma said there were 2 endings to OoT, a child and Adult one. When Adult Zelda sent Link back, the time adult Zelda was in wasn't destroyed, so, she or the sages or someone must have passed that down.

The Sage-Glass Windows (what I call them):

Well..the Sages were only known, as far as we know, in the Adult Ending, by Zelda. But when Child Link went off to Termina, we don't know how long it took him to come back from Termina, this could also serve as a reason he did not come back, due to TWW's intro.

Also, Link is riding away on a horse in TWW's intro images. But alas, this could mean [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of things. TWW intro never stated when he rid away..could have been years..months..days..whatever. But, then again..the legend could have been obscured by the mists of time, like it said.

Ok, what I just said elaborates a bit on what Aonuma said about having 2 endings (see, didnt say timelines, did he?). But what I really dont get is that people still believe in 2 timelines, Aonuma said there were 2 ENDINGS...thus depleting 2 timeline theory..in some aspects..oh well..can't stop people from beleving nonsense. Kinda like Fashion. :-p

So yeah, what I just posted is how some of the timeline that I have posted is official and is in its correct place, also, it shows how some games ARE linked correctly, theres no breaks between them or whatever n00b fans may believe.

But..its just that stupid Trident in HA thats making people believe HA is before Alttp. >_<

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 09:40 AM

Aonuma said FS was the earliest in the timeline...FSA being sometime after that..so what we have:

FS>FSA

Then we have OoT, since that was the original first, from what I see, HA links to OoT because HA seems like the very first time Ganondorf got his powers. So:

FS>FSA>OoT


Stop. None of that was ever confirmed.
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