Hero of Legend, on Oct 15 2008, 02:44 PM, said:
We have no reason to suspect that he is not the same salesman from OoT.
But do we have reasons to think that he is? I mean, everybody and their dog(s) have doubles in Termina, so he might just as well.
Sure we meet Skull Kid in Hyrule, but he could have gotten there after stealing Majora's Mask. Or the salesman may have had his own reasons to go there.
Hero of Legend, on Oct 15 2008, 02:44 PM, said:
Of course you could argue he was never Hylian, but there doesn't seem to be anything backing that up.
That I would. He seems to belong to a different Asian-like race, with slanted eyes and yellow skin.
Hero of Legend, on Oct 15 2008, 02:44 PM, said:
the Skull Kid stole the mask in the Lost Woods
Was that stated? I only remember it happening in (non specified) woods.
But regardless, I agree even if it's not stated it would be a logical assumption. However I don't think this has to mean the mask was in Hyrule before the Salesman retrieved it.
jacensolo06, on Oct 15 2008, 05:47 PM, said:
The Japanese just says "ancestors". He could mean mine, yours, ours, or someone else's. Although, with how implications work in the Japanese language, it's highly likely that he means either mine or ours.
Personally I think it means the ancestors of the people in Termina (Clock Town's basically). I'll get to explaining why I think so in a moment.
Showsni, on Oct 15 2008, 10:05 PM, said:
He's from the moon. See the little kids in there? Mask salesmen in training, all of them. Just look behind their masks!
Well, I don't think those kids are actually what they appear to be, but that's part of my reasons to believe in a connection.
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Hero of Legend, on Oct 15 2008, 02:44 PM, said:
And as for Majora's Mask, what connections does it have to Termina's past, really? I originally assumed it originated there, but I latter realized there was no real evidence for this. Sure, there are markings in the temples, but how do we know the Skull Kid didn't create those?
Hero of Legend, on Oct 15 2008, 02:44 PM, said:
Even so, your theory about the Garoo/Ikanians is interesting, so do tell.
Sure thing
The first point toward a Majora/Termina connection, is that the people of Termina are (and probably always have been) obsessed by masks. Just consider the carnival of time or how many masks are seen hanging in Clock Town. Not to mention that with the possible exception of the Mask of Truth, we didn't get any magical masks in Hyrule. So it seems to be a Terminian thing and would appear reasonable for the most powerful of magical masks to originate there. But that's the weakest part of my argument.
So about the Garo, I already mentioned how the Mask Salesman looks Asian. Well the Garo's are actually said to be ninjas (whereas, as ninja like as they may be, I don't think the Sheikah ever were) so that may already be a connection: the Mask Salesman may belong to the same tribe as the Garo did (I presume the name Garo applies to a warrior class. According to Jumbie their country of origin was called the Teki Kingdom, which was an actual, real world, Asian kingdom).
Now we also see that the kids wearing the masks on the moon bear the same features as the mask salesman and they talk about becoming mask salesmans themselves. If the connection between Majora and the Salesman was only that he recently found the mask, why would the other masks who serve Majora (and Majora itself, sitting under the tree) take on his appearence? Personally, I believe this to be indication that the Asian like race of the salesman is the tribe that created Majora (which would explain why we never see any other people like him, since that tribe has been destroyed. He might be one of very few survivors, kind of like Impa and the Sheikah the racial traits of whom seem to be pretty much gone completely by games set later on in the timeline).
So if we go off that supposition, the curse which originated from Stone Tower could have been the great calamity Majora caused before the ancients sealed it off. Sealed it how? Possibly by locking it inside the Stone Tower, which apparently was built by the Ikanians enemies. So that would mean, the ancient ones were in fact the Ikanians.
After all, there IS a gigantic stone structure shaped like Majora in the Tower's entry room which doesn't seem like a later addition but an integral part of the structure. Heck it pretty much makes up the entrance room seeing how it connects to the platforms you walk unto.
Of course that would mean it was the Mask Salesman who brought back the curse on Ikana by opening the doors of the tower, and it just so happens that Skull Kid is never blamed for that. Just... someone (whereas Skull Kid is very specifically blamed for persuading Sharp in keeping things that way as well as a lot of other wrongdoings in the game).
I would say it all flows pretty well. First we are told about a great calamity Majora, an item for cursing rituals, caused in the past then we find ourselves in a land that died because of a curse. Wouldn't that just complete the narrative wonderfully if there was a connection? I would go for it even if we didn't have the giant Majora representation in Stone Tower, but that signs the deal for me.
This post has been edited by Duke Serkol: 16 October 2008 - 08:38 AM
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