inspired by the Ganon and the Dark World thread...
Where do the Silver Arrows come from, and how come they dont appear in OoT, WW or many of the newer games? were the Silver Arrows forged with the same light as the Light Arrows and the Master Sword?
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Posted 14 October 2004 - 12:50 AM
If there is an explanation to this I've never heard of it. It is however, known that Silver, as a moon metal, is capable of killing werewolves, this in turn may have lead to a generalization that Silver simply destroys evil easy enough, but there's probably somebody out there with a game related answer for ya. I'm personally interested to see whether or not there is one now.
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Posted 14 October 2004 - 02:02 AM
I always just assumed that Light Arrows = Silver Arrows. And, in at least a practical sense, they kinda do. Silver Arrows and Light Arrows are the only thing capable of killing Ganon (or in some cases making Ganon vulnerable to attack).
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Posted 14 October 2004 - 03:19 PM
I think the two don't really relate to each other. The most important distinction is that the light arrows are powered by Link's magic, while the silver arrows do not (right?). The light arrows seem to be arrows influenced by Link's magic, and the silver arrows seem to be arrows transformed by the fairy in the Pyramid.
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Posted 14 October 2004 - 03:35 PM
I think the two don't really relate to each other. The most important distinction is that the light arrows are powered by Link's magic, while the silver arrows do not (right?). The light arrows seem to be arrows influenced by Link's magic, and the silver arrows seem to be arrows transformed by the fairy in the Pyramid.
Also, whenever the silver arrows are used in a Zelda game, they are used to kill Ganon, as opposed to stunning him...hitting him with the MS then seal him--the silver arrows are always used for a death strike!
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Posted 14 October 2004 - 04:00 PM
Silver Arrows, I think, are created by Fairies, as seen in LTTP, and the ones LTTP Link didn't use he sealed away incase evil returned. Light Arrows I think are a tool of the Gods that appear to Link when he needs them in Ganon's Castle. Also, Light Arrows are golden, so they can't be Silver Arrows too >.>; I used to have a n00by theory back in 1998 that the Light Arrows were made by the Triforce, and that the Silver Arrows were created by some Silver Triforce XD anyway, the Master Sword was created by the Sages, so the Arrows and the Sword are seperate in creation, but one in function.
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Posted 14 October 2004 - 04:10 PM
Well, it's always been vague why both the arrows and sword are often needed to defeat Ganon.
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Posted 14 October 2004 - 05:54 PM
Silver Arrows, I think, are created by Fairies, as seen in LTTP, and the ones LTTP Link didn't use he sealed away incase evil returned.
The only thing there is that the ones in LoZ are just a dungeon treasure, which means they could be made by fairies, but you don't know for sure. Also, where does it say that Link seals away the silver arrows?
Good point, Tri-Enforcer, about the deathblow stuff. So far as we've seen, that's the only way to kill Ganon... Silver Arrows > MS!
I forget, though, what happens to Ganon at the end of FSA? Is he sealed, or is he killed?
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Posted 14 October 2004 - 06:15 PM
I forget, though, what happens to Ganon at the end of FSA? Is he sealed, or is he killed?
He's sealed in inside of the Four Sword at the end of FSA, like Vaati once was.
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Posted 14 October 2004 - 07:10 PM
well, In LTTP, Fairies make the Arrows, and Since they're in a dungeon in LOZ, I find it obvious that they're previous owner hid them away.
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Posted 14 October 2004 - 07:27 PM
But notice that the Fire and Ice arrows in WW are jointly produced by Link and Fairies. I'd say that's a nothing distinction, like trying to say that Master sword and the L3 sword in LOZ are totally seperate. which they may be, but that's strict interpretation, and we have to take into account changing technology, changing production concepts, maybe simply the introduction of a better name.
what's the original japanese for these two? does anyone know? it may be a silly translation distinction
what's the original japanese for these two? does anyone know? it may be a silly translation distinction
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Posted 14 October 2004 - 10:43 PM
The Light Arrows seem to be used in the earlier adventures to weaken him. The Silver Arrows seem to be fairy-generated. Possibly the bow picks up some magic after being enchanted to shoot Light Arrows in the first two big adventures, that when Link obtains it again in LttP, the fairies can combine that magic with their own to create Silver Arrows that require no magic from Link, and which deal the deathblow to Ganon.
Ganon is extra weak in LoZ, the last game of the series. He's been beaten by Link so much over the centuries that he's just barely clinging to life, and the final battle in LoZ is just the late, final blow to finish the job for good.
Ganon is extra weak in LoZ, the last game of the series. He's been beaten by Link so much over the centuries that he's just barely clinging to life, and the final battle in LoZ is just the late, final blow to finish the job for good.
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Posted 14 October 2004 - 11:50 PM
interesting...about the Silver Arrows being made by faeries...i never thought of it that way...
perhaps why in some of the games like OoT that the Master Sword was used to beat Ganon, is because the Silver Arrows werent yet created...maybe they were first created by the Great Faerie in the Pyramid....
perhaps why in some of the games like OoT that the Master Sword was used to beat Ganon, is because the Silver Arrows werent yet created...maybe they were first created by the Great Faerie in the Pyramid....
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Posted 15 October 2004 - 01:00 AM
I'm not sure. My DVD of Underground goes deeper into the whole "Moon metal" thing in their Fang vs. Fiction featurette. I'll have look into that. But you're right about silver being thought of as a general way to destroy evil. Silver has always been thought as having mystical properties--its influence ranging from zero to being the only thing that can kill a were. I say Silver Arrows are a powerful way to destroy an evil such as Ganon, especially when the MS doesn't seem to do the job. Also, it may be possible that the MS and Silver Arrows both draw their power from the same source (the moon?) with the Silver Arrows being a more concentrated version of that power.If there is an explanation to this I've never heard of it. It is however, known that Silver, as a moon metal, is capable of killing werewolves, this in turn may have lead to a generalization that Silver simply destroys evil easy enough, but there's probably somebody out there with a game related answer for ya. I'm personally interested to see whether or not there is one now.
Whether the Light Arrows=Silver Arrows is whole different story... But I don't think they are.
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Posted 15 October 2004 - 05:31 PM
well, In LTTP, Fairies make the Arrows, and Since they're in a dungeon in LOZ, I find it obvious that they're previous owner hid them away.
The big difference, once again, is between how the silver arrows are created...
In LTTP, you have to throw your whole bow into the pool, and even if you run out of arrows you don't have to come back and get your arrows re-enchanted once you have more. So, it seems more like an enchantment placed on the bow. In LoZ, it also seems like an enchantment on the bow, as you don't have a limited number of silver arrows there, either, but unless your bow can be enchanted by opening a treasure chests, we still have to assume that it's the arrows themselves that have the enchantment...
Bah, whatever. It really makes no sense.
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Posted 15 October 2004 - 05:41 PM
In LTTP, you have to throw your whole bow into the pool, and even if you run out of arrows you don't have to come back and get your arrows re-enchanted once you have more. So, it seems more like an enchantment placed on the bow.
That's a good point indeed, though it seems more of a game technical thing. It would be annoying to go back every time you run out of silver arrows.
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Posted 15 October 2004 - 07:44 PM
Note - I didn't read any posts in this thread, but here is my stance on Silver Arrows.
If you try to put a chronology in here, then one could almost argue that somebody (not sure who) melted down the All Powerful, Evil Banishing Sword, and made arrow heads out of the charmed metal. Although Link to the Past would blow this theory out of the water, it's completely possible if you believe that there are Two Master Swords. Like this.
OoT - WW - Sword is lost, so they make a new one. Minish Cap (highly likely) -Find old sword and keep new one, unaware of the old ones magical powers- LttP - The "New" Master Sword is no longer used, and the silver arrows are all that is needed to kill Ganon.
The Light arrows were just a spell. Thoughts?
If you try to put a chronology in here, then one could almost argue that somebody (not sure who) melted down the All Powerful, Evil Banishing Sword, and made arrow heads out of the charmed metal. Although Link to the Past would blow this theory out of the water, it's completely possible if you believe that there are Two Master Swords. Like this.
OoT - WW - Sword is lost, so they make a new one. Minish Cap (highly likely) -Find old sword and keep new one, unaware of the old ones magical powers- LttP - The "New" Master Sword is no longer used, and the silver arrows are all that is needed to kill Ganon.
The Light arrows were just a spell. Thoughts?
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Posted 15 October 2004 - 07:51 PM
Well, we only know for sure that the people of Hyrule created the Master Sword.Silver Arrows, I think, are created by Fairies, as seen in LTTP, and the ones LTTP Link didn't use he sealed away incase evil returned. Light Arrows I think are a tool of the Gods that appear to Link when he needs them in Ganon's Castle. Also, Light Arrows are golden, so they can't be Silver Arrows too >.>; I used to have a n00by theory back in 1998 that the Light Arrows were made by the Triforce, and that the Silver Arrows were created by some Silver Triforce XD anyway, the Master Sword was created by the Sages, so the Arrows and the Sword are seperate in creation, but one in function.
About the Silver Arrows, I think it took a while to figure out how to kill Ganon to the fairy in LttP if she created them, plus it's really weird that the only item which is capable to destroy Ganon is hidden in his own lair.
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Posted 15 October 2004 - 11:05 PM
yea, of course, it's also wierd that Light arrows are in Ganon's Tower every time, and if the Fairy was turned ugly because of her disobedience, why is she in his lair at all? I always assumed the Gods intervened on that part.
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Posted 16 October 2004 - 09:19 PM
Maybe he hid them in his lair because he think's it's the safest place, obviously he found them before.
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Posted 17 October 2004 - 06:39 AM
I think the fairy couldn't kill Ganon cause she didn't have the master sword or a bow. Ganon deformed her and sealed her away in the Pyramid cause she didn't obey him. However, Link is able to open it up with the superbomb.
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Posted 17 October 2004 - 10:18 AM
yea, of course, it's also wierd that Light arrows are in Ganon's Tower every time, and if the Fairy was turned ugly because of her disobedience, why is she in his lair at all? I always assumed the Gods intervened on that part.
Nah. Having them in his Fortress/Pyramid is the safest place to have them. Don't forget that in Ganon's Tower, the light arrows are guarded by his Shadow Ganon and his minions in a supposedly never-ending maze.
Yeah, the Fairy sealed in the Pyramid was a bit on the easy side to free but at least you had to use a great whacking bomb the size of Link to free her.
If they're there, Ganon knows where they are and can keep an eye on them.
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Posted 17 October 2004 - 11:55 AM
Yeah, my point exactly.
Funny that most of us if not all in this thread assume that it is the master sword powered-up you wield still in the final battle in Alttp.
Funny that most of us if not all in this thread assume that it is the master sword powered-up you wield still in the final battle in Alttp.
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Posted 17 October 2004 - 06:08 PM
About the light arrows=sliver arrows, in a way I think they are, or more so a substitue for each other.
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Posted 17 October 2004 - 10:15 PM
Well, like someone said, the SILVER arrows can kill werewolves, which is true. Anything silver can kill a werewolf. But, as we should know, werewolves are of legend. This game is based on many mythic legends, since Shigeru Miyamoto loves the old mytholigical stuff.
I think the Silver Arrows are just legend among some villagers. They never seem to mention them. Only members of the Royal Family or of some royalty. Perhaps they were passed down? Created by the Goddesses or Faries? We dont really know, this is just something we can only speculate on.
As for why they are in Ganon's Castle in LoZ and Alttp ...I think it's just their regular hiding place for whoever created them..theres no solid reason for them..their just there to beat Ganon. And take the name Light Arrow...
Light. Zelda is about Good vs Evil. Light vs. Darkness. Thats probably the most logical explanation for why they are called "Light arrows".
For the silver arrows. The way I see it is that Alttp is more mythogical that any of the other games because of some of its enemies, dungeons. For example, the Tower of HERA. Hera is a god I believe back in the Mythic times.
Some of the bosses in Zelda are mytholigical like in Oracle of Seasons, the boss Medusa's head. And we all know Medusa from the mythic times. Plus from all of Shigeru's mythic likings and past events as a child.
I think the Silver Arrows are just legend among some villagers. They never seem to mention them. Only members of the Royal Family or of some royalty. Perhaps they were passed down? Created by the Goddesses or Faries? We dont really know, this is just something we can only speculate on.
As for why they are in Ganon's Castle in LoZ and Alttp ...I think it's just their regular hiding place for whoever created them..theres no solid reason for them..their just there to beat Ganon. And take the name Light Arrow...
Light. Zelda is about Good vs Evil. Light vs. Darkness. Thats probably the most logical explanation for why they are called "Light arrows".
For the silver arrows. The way I see it is that Alttp is more mythogical that any of the other games because of some of its enemies, dungeons. For example, the Tower of HERA. Hera is a god I believe back in the Mythic times.
Some of the bosses in Zelda are mytholigical like in Oracle of Seasons, the boss Medusa's head. And we all know Medusa from the mythic times. Plus from all of Shigeru's mythic likings and past events as a child.
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Posted 18 October 2004 - 09:00 AM
I bet the idea of silver killing werewolves came out of sarcasm. "you wanna kill a werewolf? get yourself some silver bullets... and while you're at it, a knife made of diamonds.. and a uranium helmet....."
interesting to note though that iron kills Oberon's children, which seems like a giant weakness if you think about it.. our very blood runs with iron. ^^'
interesting to note though that iron kills Oberon's children, which seems like a giant weakness if you think about it.. our very blood runs with iron. ^^'
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Posted 18 October 2004 - 12:38 PM
Actually, after a bit of research, the silver arrows seem to be a reference to the Greek Goddess Artemis. The superstions of the silver bullet originated in the same place I assume.
Silver is a metal assosiated with Artemis, goddess of the hunt/childbirth and who is often identified with Selene, the goddess of the moon. The whole silver bullet thing came from this whole moon thing, since silver is the moon metal (I'm guessing because of it's bright white appearance in it's pure form) and the werewolf is associated with the full moon it was decided that silver was the best way to kill it.
As for Ganon, I'm still not sure, but silver seems to be extremely associated with good in all papers I've gone over. And silver arrows as the ultimate hunting tool seem to fit well, since Ganon is generally killed while in the form of a boar/pig. It's also of note to say that the silver arrows of Artemis killed with no pain or suffering of any kind, it was an instant death, not quite the same as what we see in the battles with Ganon.
Silver is a metal assosiated with Artemis, goddess of the hunt/childbirth and who is often identified with Selene, the goddess of the moon. The whole silver bullet thing came from this whole moon thing, since silver is the moon metal (I'm guessing because of it's bright white appearance in it's pure form) and the werewolf is associated with the full moon it was decided that silver was the best way to kill it.
As for Ganon, I'm still not sure, but silver seems to be extremely associated with good in all papers I've gone over. And silver arrows as the ultimate hunting tool seem to fit well, since Ganon is generally killed while in the form of a boar/pig. It's also of note to say that the silver arrows of Artemis killed with no pain or suffering of any kind, it was an instant death, not quite the same as what we see in the battles with Ganon.
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Posted 18 October 2004 - 04:05 PM
Maybe Ganon is just a big cry baby.... I'd throw a fit too if I had the cosmos within my grasp and a little ant of a boy took all that away from me with his stupid arrow.
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Posted 18 October 2004 - 04:17 PM
Maybe Ganon is just a big cry baby.... I'd throw a fit too if I had the cosmos within my grasp and a little ant of a boy took all that away from me with his stupid arrow.
I think the light/ silver arrows are merely story telling elements to progress the story. Plus the game would be too easy if you only needed the MS to slash away at Ganon.
