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[arunma]

Yeah, so it's been something like 5 years since I've been seriously active on the Storyline forum. At long last, I'm looking to get back to my roots at this good ol' corner of LA. I'm hoping that I can use this thread to get away with asking a few stupid questions.

So, could someone give me a brief (but hopefully not too brief) lesson on what the latest theories are, and also how newer games such as Wind Waker have affected the storyline? A good summary of what the accepted storyline(s) currently is would also be helpful. Just be advised that I haven't yet beaten Twilight Princess.

Anyway, thanks guys.

[MikePetersSucks]

I'm not comprehensive enough on it to speak, but let's just say it makes things even MORE irritating, and now we have crap like triple-pronged timelines.

[D~N]

Well, this place is not as friendly, and you're always wrong in an arguement, but if you must...

TMC can't start off a timeline or face the wrath of others. It's clearly not what the creators intended, don't you know? OoT isn't the Imprisoning War because fictional video games aren't allowed contradictions in substitution for a smooth timeline. Your timeline must be a split or it's wrong, because clearly what the creators wanted was to confuse us. TWW follows the adult ending in your split timeline, not that you have a chioice. PH follows.
In the child timeline, people are looking at TP as a direct sequel to OoO-MM. Anything else is horsehockey! The Ganondorf-imprisonment scene from TP is generally placed as the events of OoT after Link returned.
Games following TP can have any order, but no matter where you put ALTTP, you're screwed because "The Master Sword sleeps forever, bitch!"

Oh yes, and everyone wants a tripple pronged timeline all of a sudden. Because games have "Directors Cut" alternate endings where Link fails . Duh.

Edited by D~N, 26 February 2007 - 10:48 PM.

[The Missing Link]

I'm probably a bad one to provide a synopsis since my experience involves a very bad experience here a few years back followed by my current experience which is 2,000 times more enjoyable, but why not?

I'm not going to go through with the comprehensive list of major theories because I don't think that a list of them can truly be obtainable. What I can say is that, personally speaking, the people here are much more open to alternate explanations for events (i.e., not following every line of dialogue to a "T") and complex and elaborate theories to work around some of the contradictions and paradoxes within the series. I think, because of that, that the number of possible theories under consideration is maybe not innumerable but large enough that you wouldn't want to count them.

[Fyxe]

TMC can't start off a timeline or face the wrath of others.

So painfully true.

OoT isn't the Imprisoning War because fictional video games aren't allowed contradictions in substitution for a smooth timeline.

Because theorists are ANAL TO ALL HELL.

Your timeline must be a split or it's wrong, because clearly what the creators wanted was to confuse us.

Don't forget, Aonuma is on a mission to destroy the timeline altogether.

TWW follows the adult ending in your split timeline, not that you have a chioice.

Despite the references to Majora's Mask.

PH follows.

Well, that one is actually a given.

The Ganondorf-imprisonment scene from TP is generally placed as the events of OoT after Link returned.

Because the Arbiter's Grounds can easily be constructed within seven years.

Games following TP can have any order, but no matter where you put ALTTP, you're screwed because "The Master Sword sleeps forever, bitch!"

Because dramatic lines take prescedance over plot, or games released directly after ALttP or set afterwards (Kodai No Sekiban, the Oracle games).

Edited by Fyxe, 27 February 2007 - 02:45 PM.

[Crazy Penguin]

The Adventure of Link takes place a few months or years after the original Legend of Zelda.

A Link to the Past is generally accepted to take place some generations before the orginal Legend of Zelda, as was obviously the intention at the time of release. Link's Awakening is generally accepted to take place some months after A Link to the Past, this was confirmed on the Link's Awakening DX page on Nintendo.co.jp (circa 1998).

Ocarina of Time was created as a prequel to A Link to the Past, taking place some generations before and setting the stage for that game. Unfortunately, future games (The Wind Waker and Twilight Princess) seem to contradict the connection between the two games.

Majora's Mask takes place a few months or so after Ocarina of Time.

Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons take place one after the other, in either order. They are generally accepted as a another new generation in the overall storyline, as this Link and Zelda meet for the first time in-game. Some have speculated that it's supposed to lead-in to Link's Awakening (rather than ALttP leading into LA), but this has not been confirmed anywhere.

Four Swords is also generally accepted as a new generation in the overall story. Four Swords Adventures takes place shortly after the original Four Swords, although it's ambiguous as to how it connects with the other games in the series.

The Minish Cap is takes place some generations before Four Swords. It should also take place some generations before A Link to the Past if you take the GBA exlcusive bonus dungeon into consideration.

The Wind Waker takes place some generations after Ocarina of Time, although it's unclear how it connects to any other games.

Twilight Princess also takes place some generations after Ocarina of Time, once again it's unclear how it connects to any other games.

[CID Farwin]

No Way! That's my timeline exactly! it's that vague and everything.

[Fyxe]

Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons take place one after the other, in either order. They are generally accepted as a another new generation in the overall storyline, as this Link and Zelda meet for the first time in-game. Some have speculated that it's supposed to lead-in to Link's Awakening (rather than ALttP leading into LA), but this has not been confirmed anywhere.

While I disagree with the concept of it leading into LA (because LA has too many references to ALttP and was always intended as a direct sequel), don't forget to note that Ganon was dead prior to the Oracle games, and the Triforce was complete and within Hyrule. Therefore at release it could only occur after LA or after Zelda II, and judging by the references within the games (a fair few to ALttP), they probably occur after LA (which was also the more recent game, setting it after Zelda II could confuse newcomers, and the game engine was the same as LA).

Edited by Fyxe, 27 February 2007 - 04:08 PM.

[Ogmios22188]

Yeah, I miss the time when the Oracles first came out, the timeline was much simpler. It was OoT and MM, then aLttP and LA, then OoS and OoA, and then LoZ and tAoL. It's so confusing now, and all we do is argue .

[FDL]

Because the Arbiter's Grounds can easily be constructed within seven years.

That's actually a pretty good point. I hadn't thought of that. Though I'm sure many would just tell you that every Zelda has added in landmarks.

[Ogmios22188]

You could also say that the Arbiter's Grounds is in a part of the desert you never get to in "Ocarina of Time".

[D~N]

Because theorists are ANAL TO ALL HELL.

lol

Don't forget, Aonuma is on a mission to destroy the timeline altogether.

LMAO wow, so painfully true.

Despite the references to Majora's Mask.

Err...uh, yes. Umm...crap...ya got me.
Any game that references MM is gunna be screwed, due to the alternate dimension thing. Plus, it's Tinlge....he doesn't count

Because the Arbiter's Grounds can easily be constructed within seven years.

Oh snap, you got me again...That's somethingI hadn't thought about...
Err, I'm gunna have to go with the "It was already there" theory.
>.>
<.<

[MikePetersSucks]

Because it's not like TP doesn't imply the castle was rebuilt almost instantly somehow anyway, plus the ridiculously inconsistent geography, I'm pretty sure that by now we can just agree that buildings can spring into existence with magic powers.

[Kairu Hakubi]

I think Ganon just has a trapped-and-escaping fetish.. he likes to get trapped and escape from various realms over and over and over.. before and after each game. Yep.

[Showsni]

Yeah, so it's been something like 5 years since I've been seriously active on the Storyline forum. At long last, I'm looking to get back to my roots at this good ol' corner of LA. I'm hoping that I can use this thread to get away with asking a few stupid questions.

So, could someone give me a brief (but hopefully not too brief) lesson on what the latest theories are, and also how newer games such as Wind Waker have affected the storyline? A good summary of what the accepted storyline(s) currently is would also be helpful. Just be advised that I haven't yet beaten Twilight Princess.

Anyway, thanks guys.

Are you aware of the split versus single debates? Basically, some people say that Link's time travelling in OoT caused reality to fracture in two (or more), with some Zelda games following each new reality. Other people say that this doesn't happen, and that the games all just occur one after teh other, not off in alternate realities.

[SOAP]

There's also the belief that the games take place in alternate realities but they're unrelated and don't spring from the same event in OoT.

[arunma]

Woah, all this reading material to study!

[Lagelace]

They all take place in different dimensions and there is no connection between them whatsoever.

That's Portuguese for "Your not getting any ideas or help from me."

[Hero of Legend]

That's Portuguese for "Your not getting any ideas or help from me."

Doesn't that make your entire post spam, or just downright trolling?

[FDL]

I think Ganon just has a trapped-and-escaping fetish.. he likes to get trapped and escape from various realms over and over and over.. before and after each game. Yep.

He's like Houdini.

[Lagelace]

Doesn't that make your entire post spam, or just downright trolling?

Might, I didn't think about that >.<