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[D~N]

I want to try making a timeline. Again.

I know i haven't done this since I got here, but let's give it a whirl, shall we? And I'm going to need halp with the games i haven't played:
FS
FSA
LA
While I have played both Oracles, I don't remember them all too well. I need to give them another whirl, as I havn't played them in a while nor have I gotten the chance.

| OoT - MM | [IW] | TMC | FS - FSA | TP | [IW2] | TWW - PH | ALttP - LA | LoZ - AoL | OoX


Geography is pretty important to me, thus this makes a good reference.


Ocarina starts, no delema there. Ganondorf is sealed in the future, and thus is not present in the past beause his body has been removed from the time-space continuem. [SINGLE TIMELINE!] He, Zelda, and Mido tell everyone of his adult-achievments. Majora's Mask follows, Link loses the triforce. He travels and searches for Navi, none found. He dies wandering the Lost Woods, and becomes the decaying soldier in Twilight Princess.

Centuries pass, Ganondorf breaks free, and comenses the Imprisoning War. **Fanwanking**Whatever is required to happen to the Triforce and Ganon's state of being for the next three games to occur happen here.**Fanwanking** Also, Hyrule Castle is destroyed during the war. It is rebuilt more towards the middle of Hyrule Field, the temple of time is moved. Also fanwanking, but possible.

The Minish Cap, I had a brain-blast. All of the swamps and the unfamiliar names of places made wonder if it was North Hyrule, rather than the Hyrule from OoT in this game? It's possible, but nothing is concrete yet; I'm still looking for solid indications.

Now, for these two. What to do with Four swords? Sticking them in here is based soley on the facts that: The Minish cap fits here nicely, and the Zuna. I read ZeldaGamer21's article about them, and from what I gathered, the Zuna sound EXACTLY like the Twili. People have been picking up on this, only to be dissapointed that the mirror of Twilight gets destroyed. That's a bummer, so that's why I put this game before Twilight Princess. Makes sense now, right? They live in the desert, right? That's where the Mirror of twilight is...hmm...curious. Takes place on Main Hyrule. Fill me in on these games please; am I right in putting them here?

On the same Hyrule as OoT, TP begins. Ganondorf is locked up in the Twilight Realm for doin' bad stuff. Time passes. He finds Zant and they do their whole Twilight-thing. Ganondorf escapes, and Link gains the Master Sword and stuff and kills Ganondorf.

**Fanwanking** Another war ensues centuries after, which is responsible for the rejuvination of Ganondorf and the flood.**Fanwanking** also responsible for movemnt of Master Sword.

The Windwaker, only notable points here are that the master sword has been moved back to Hyrule Castle-area Temple of Time. I can't explain this without saying that the "war/flood" is responsible. Staue of link is of his teenageer years, but not full OoT adult. Mido and Zelda tell the people of his great deed, thus this is a possibilty. Rito evolve from some sort of fusion of the Zora and Ooccoo (idk, they're just messed up) but the Zora trait has to be able to be passed down somehow to future games. Phantom hourglass, blah blah.

A Link to the Past, Link's Awakening, not much to say here either. Anything I should mention?

Legend of Zelda, sleeping zelda occurs wherever convinient, AoL. I'm really liking the North Hyrule = TMC idea, but we'll see... Nothing much to say here either.

Oracles, the Master Sword is a bonus. Also, the White Sword is the Master Sword, but with no power, like in the Wind Waker.

Does it work? *crosses fingers*

EDIT: Oh, I almost forgot what makes this theory so different. I've been thinking about certain geographical oddeties, and I remembered something from Earth Science last year. Every once thousand of years or so, there is a polar switch. In this fashion, the north magnetic pole becomes the south magnetic pole. Now, in these old times, the compas would still point to north, thus maps would be flipped. I think this could be the answer to how Kakarico vilage ended up on the left side of the map in ALttP, or how a desert is randomly on the right side of the map. Also, the forest/lost-woods would be in the southeast with map flip; their proper place. The only thing I can't explain is Death Mountain. I'm still working on it, but I like where this theory is going. Mind you, it is major, MAJOR fanwanking, but I like it when the maps line up. I'm still figuring it out. I'll shut up now.

Edited by D~N, 16 December 2006 - 06:07 PM.

[MikePetersSucks]

| OoT - MM | [IW]| TMC | FS - FSA | TP | [IW2] | TWW - PH | ALttP - LA | LoZ - AoL | OoX

We have a problem here. Both TP and TWW refer directly to OOT with no games inbetween except MM.

Ocarina starts, no delema there. Ganondorf is sealed in the future, and thus is not present in the past beause his body has been removed from the time-space continuem. [SINGLE TIMELINE!]He, Zelda, and Mido tell everyone of his adult-achievments. Majora's Mask follows, Link loses the triforce. He travels and searches for Navi, none found. He dies wandering the Lost Woods, and becomes the decaying soldier in Twilight Princess.

So Ganondorf was never born? What?

Centuries pass, Ganondorf breaks free, and comenses the Imprisoning War. **Fanwanking**Whatever is required to happen to the Triforce and Ganon's state of being for the next three games to occur happen here.**Fanwanking** Also, Hyrule Castle is destroyed during the war. It is rebuilt more towards the middle of Hyrule Field, the temple of time is moved. Also fanwanking, but possible.

According to FSA, Ganon was born as a normal man and got the Trident without ever coming into contact with the Triforce. You can't put FSA right after a game involving Ganon being sealed.

The Minish Cap, I had a brain-blast. All of the swamps and the unfamiliar names of places made wonder if it was North Hyrule, rather than the Hyrule from OoT in this game? It's possible, but nothing is concrete yet; I'm still looking for solid indications.

Now, for these two. What to do with Four swords? Sticking them in here is based soley on the facts that: The Minish cap fits here nicely, and the Zuna. I read ZeldaGamer21's article about them, and from what I gathered, the Zuna sound EXACTLY like the Twili. People have been picking up on this, only to be dissapointed that the mirror of Twilight gets destroyed. That's a bummer, so that's why I put this game before Twilight Princess. Makes sense now, right? They live in the desert, right? That's where the Mirror of twilight is...hmm...curious. Takes place on Main Hyrule. Fill me in on these games please; am I right in putting them here?

Minish Cap doesn't fit nicely at all, and the Zuna and the Twili have nothing in common. I wouldn't base a theory off of ZeldaGamer21's article since it's...well, it's filled with holes and has only two ambiguous quotes to support itself. The FS games are probably much closer to LTTP for multiple reasons.

On the same Hyrule as OoT, TP begins. Ganondorf is locked up in the Twilight Realm for doin' bad stuff. Time passes. He finds Zant and they do their whole Twilight-thing. Ganondorf escapes, and Link gains the Master Sword and stuff and kills Ganondorf.

What do you mean Same Hyrule? There's only one.

**Fanwanking** Another war ensues centuries after, which is responsible for the rejuvination of Ganondorf and the flood.**Fanwanking** also responsible for movemnt of Master Sword.

The Windwaker, only notable points here are that the master sword has been moved back to Hyrule Castle-area Temple of Time. I can't explain this without saying that the "war/flood" is responsible. Staue of link is of his teenageer years, but not full OoT adult. Mido and Zelda tell the people of his great deed, thus this is a possibilty. Rito evolve from some sort of fusion of the Zora and Ooccoo (idk, they're just messed up) but the Zora trait has to be able to be passed down somehow to future games. Phantom hourglass, blah blah.

Ok.

A Link to the Past, Link's Awakening, not much to say here either. Anything I should mention?

Legend of Zelda, sleeping zelda occurs wherever convinient, AoL. I'm really liking the North Hyrule = TMC idea, but we'll see... Nothing much to say here either.

Oracles, the Master Sword is a bonus. Also, the White Sword is the Master Sword, but with no power, like in the Wind Waker.

Does it work? *crosses fingers*

I guess it's ok.

EDIT: Oh, I almost forgot what makes this theory so different. I've been thinking about certain geographical oddeties, and I remembered something from Earth Science last year. Every once thousand of years or so, there is a polar switch. In this fashion, the north magnetic pole becomes the south magnetic pole. Now, in these old times, the compas would still point to north, thus maps would be flipped. I think this could be the answer to how Kakarico vilage ended up on the left side of the map in ALttP, or how a desert is randomly on the right side of the map. Also, the forest/lost-woods would be in the southeast with map flip; their proper place. The only thing I can't explain is Death Mountain. I'm still working on it, but I like where this theory is going. Mind you, it is major, MAJOR fanwanking, but I like it when the maps line up. I'm still figuring it out. I'll shut up now.

Hyrule isn't Earth.

Anyway, I think you need to play FS, FSA, and LA before you try and place them in a timeline. Heck, no offense, but the lazy way you tie the games together makes me think you need to review them all. There's all sorts of conflicting issues you don't even begin to address.

[D~N]

Fair enough. I'd like to get it out there that I'm not an extreme time-line-er, but that I'm also not a "Zelda has no timeline!!1" Kind of guy. Yes, I probably should replay a couple of games. But, I'm working with what I know right here.

We have a problem here. Both TP and TWW refer directly to OOT with no games inbetween except MM.

I'm sure that others will agree with me that it is certainly possible to place the games there. You are correct in that it references OoT and MM, I wont deny you that. But the games don't say that there are no games in between. They may suggest it. But I don't think they suggest it. I'm sure one or two others may agree.

So Ganondorf was never born? What?

Not that I'd like to bring up another "Mysteries of the OoT ending" topic, but what I meant is that everything is undone, with ganon stuck somewhere else. Yes, he's born, why wouldn't he be born? The events of OoT happen up until when Ganon is sealed during the adult half of OoT, Link makes time go backwards, and it does. Except Ganon is stuck in a time-proof closet; the sacred realm. Thus the adult half will never happen again. That's all I meant. WHy wouldn't he be born?

According to FSA, Ganon was born as a normal man and got the Trident without ever coming into contact with the Triforce. You can't put FSA right after a game involving Ganon being sealed.

Could you explain that again? I'm interested to see what that's all about.

Minish Cap doesn't fit nicely at all, and the Zuna and the Twili have nothing in common. I wouldn't base a theory off of ZeldaGamer21's article since it's...well, it's filled with holes and has only two ambiguous quotes to support itself. The FS games are probably much closer to LTTP for multiple reasons.

Minish Cap fits nicely only if, like said before, your perception of WW is that games can come in between, which I beleive. If you don't then they do not fit, your correct. The Zuna and Twili have a lot in common, actually. It says they have green skin (check) a dark mirror (check) and a dark tribe was sealed into the mirror (check). It looks like it's about time I rented that game.

What do you mean Same Hyrule? There's only one.

As opposed the Northern Hyrule. I should have wrote the same part of hyrule. sorry.

Hyrule isn't Earth.

Hm...Well, I want to know how Kakariko village ended up on the opposite side of Hyrule. I'll ditch the theory for now, but what made me think about it was the mirrored map in TP. It was kinda a random thought, I know. I still am curious about Kakarico village. unless it's a different hyrule...pretty bad odds of that. Alright, this sounded better in my head than on paper...or computer screen. Oh well, no more 'polar swicth'. THEORY OFFICIALLY DITCHED.

Anyway, I think you need to play FS, FSA, and LA before you try and place them in a timeline. Heck, no offense, but the lazy way you tie the games together makes me think you need to review them all. There's all sorts of conflicting issues you don't even begin to address.

Fair enough, fair enough. Well, LA doesn't really need to be played to know it's a sequel. But I probably should play the four swords series.
...What conflicting issues? That's why I said I needed help; I know I'd have a bunch of stuff missing. Meh, you're probably right, I should replay these games. =/ I alwasy feel overwhelmed in this section of the forum because evryone who is a "timeliner" knows each and every little detail....

Thank you to whomever tagged the title with the spoiler warning.

Edited by D~N, 16 December 2006 - 11:06 PM.

[MikePetersSucks]

I'm sure that others will agree with me that it is certainly possible to place the games there. You are correct in that it references OoT and MM, I wont deny you that. But the games don't say that there are no games in between. They may suggest it. But I don't think they suggest it. I'm sure one or two others may agree.

The thing is that with both TWW and LTTP referring to OOT, they'd logically refer to each other. And TP being thrown into the mix doesn't help things much.

Not that I'd like to bring up another "Mysteries of the OoT ending" topic, but what I meant is that everything is undone, with ganon stuck somewhere else. Yes, he's born, why wouldn't he be born? The events of OoT happen up until when Ganon is sealed during the adult half of OoT, Link makes time go backwards, and it does. Except Ganon is stuck in a time-proof closet; the sacred realm. Thus the adult half will never happen again. That's all I meant. WHy wouldn't he be born?

That's all needlessly complicated. It's much simpler to say that Link went to the Sacred Realm, split up the Triforce, then came back and put the Master Sword down, warning Zelda of the incident when he went to meet her so that Ganon could never come to power.

Could you explain that again? I'm interested to see what that's all about.

In FSA the Gerudo explain how within the past few decades, Ganon was born as a normal child, but he grew more and more rebellious and broke into a sacred temple and stole the Evil Trident of Darkness, which turned him into Piggy Ganon. FSA Ganon never made any contact with the Triforce and this is his first evildoing. According to your placement, there'd be a Ganondorf in the Sacred Realm while a second Ganondorf is reaking havoc. At the end of the game he's then sealed in the Four Sword.

Minish Cap fits nicely only if, like said before, your perception of WW is that games can come in between, which I beleive. If you don't then they do not fit, your correct. The Zuna and Twili have a lot in common, actually. It says they have green skin (check) a dark mirror (check) and a dark tribe was sealed into the mirror (check). It looks like it's about time I rented that game.

The Zuna never tried to steal the Triforce, and there's no evidence the Zuna are connected to any sort of dark mirror or tribe.

Fair enough, fair enough. Well, LA doesn't really need to be played to know it's a sequel. But I probably should play the four swords series.
...What conflicting issues? That's why I said I needed help; I know I'd have a bunch of stuff missing. Meh, you're probably right, I should replay these games. =/ I alwasy feel overwhelmed in this section of the forum because evryone who is a "timeliner" knows each and every little detail....

Well, don't worry, I feel overwhelmed too. There's temporal problems with OOT's ending I touched up on, the conflicting TWW, LTTP, and TP thing, the entire FS trio, the Imprisoning War (There can't be two of them), and a few other things I can't remember right this minute.

[D~N]

Hmm, I see.

The thing is that with both TWW and LTTP referring to OOT, they'd logically refer to each other. And TP being thrown into the mix doesn't help things much.

Well, I want to take a step back with the Twilight Princess. The entire WW and ALttP thing is bound to be screwed up in any timeline. I'm pretty sure it goes between TWW and OoT. Even you have it put there in your own timeline. Well, it's a split timeline...hmm...

That's all needlessly complicated. It's much simpler to say that Link went to the Sacred Realm, split up the Triforce, then came back and put the Master Sword down, warning Zelda of the incident when he went to meet her so that Ganon could never come to power.

Normally I would agree. However, if this were the case, then what is the point of the seal of the sages? You make it sound like he isn't sealed in the sacred realm. Which is the only way for a split timeline to work, right? The only way a single timeline works is if he's sealed. That's all I'm saying is that he's sealed. Future, past, present; doesn't matter. He's sealed, and the timeline is single, in my case.

In FSA the Gerudo explain how within the past few decades, Ganon was born as a normal child, but he grew more and more rebellious and broke into a sacred temple and stole the Evil Trident of Darkness, which turned him into Piggy Ganon. FSA Ganon never made any contact with the Triforce and this is his first evildoing. According to your placement, there'd be a Ganondorf in the Sacred Realm while a second Ganondorf is reaking havoc. At the end of the game he's then sealed in the Four Sword.

So what you're saying is that FSA is Ganon's first evil 'plot', if you will? In that case:

TMC | FS - FSA | OoT - MM | [IW] | TP | [IW2?] | TWW - PH | ALttP - LA | LoZ - AoL | OoX

But that doesn't make sense, since you say he's sealed in the end of the game? Aha, then what about:

TMC | FS - FSA | [IW] | OoT - MM | TP | [IW2?] | TWW - PH | ALttP - LA | LoZ - AoL | OoX

In this one, the imprisoning war breaks him free? Is that workable at all?

The Zuna never tried to steal the Triforce, and there's no evidence the Zuna are connected to any sort of dark mirror or tribe.

Aww man, don't be a party pooper. For now I won't totally ditch this theory, because I like it so much, but I wont push it either, not until I play the game. Turns out my neighbor has it, so I'll borrow/steal it from him. -cough-

Well, don't worry, I feel overwhelmed too. There's temporal problems with OOT's ending I touched up on, the conflicting TWW, LTTP, and TP thing, the entire FS trio, the Imprisoning War (There can't be two of them), and a few other things I can't remember right this minute.

Good to know I'm not the only one. Does this new timeline work better with the WW and ALttP and TP thing? Also, it's not -literally- a second Imprisoning War, it's just an alternate place for it. One could be some random "war" and the other is the IW. Whichever floats your boat, and supports my theory best.
So for now;
TMC | FS - FSA | [IW] | OoT - MM | TP | [IW2?] | TWW - PH | ALttP - LA | LoZ - AoL | OoX

Uh, quote boxes?...hello???....anyone know what I did?
You missed out a close brackets, which throws the whole post off kilter.

Edited by Showsni, 17 December 2006 - 06:57 PM.

[MikePetersSucks]

Normally I would agree. However, if this were the case, then what is the point of the seal of the sages? You make it sound like he isn't sealed in the sacred realm. Which is the only way for a split timeline to work, right? The only way a single timeline works is if he's sealed. That's all I'm saying is that he's sealed. Future, past, present; doesn't matter. He's sealed, and the timeline is single, in my case.

He's sealed in the adult timeline, but not in Link's Childhood.

So what you're saying is that FSA is Ganon's first evil 'plot', if you will? In that case:

TMC | FS - FSA | OoT - MM | [IW] | TP | [IW2?] | TWW - PH | ALttP - LA | LoZ - AoL | OoX

But that doesn't make sense, since you say he's sealed in the end of the game? Aha, then what about:

TMC | FS - FSA | [IW] | OoT - MM | TP | [IW2?] | TWW - PH | ALttP - LA | LoZ - AoL | OoX

In this one, the imprisoning war breaks him free? Is that workable at all?

BOTH OOT and FSA are his first evil plot. The only way the two games can work in one timeline is for one to be the reincarnation of the other, which is supported by FSA Ganon being called "Ancient Demon Reborn." Also, the Imprisoning War is the story of Ganon being sealed in the Sacred Realm and getting the Triforce for LTTP. It can't go before OOT or TWW, and there can only be one.

Good to know I'm not the only one. Does this new timeline work better with the WW and ALttP and TP thing? Also, it's not -literally- a second Imprisoning War, it's just an alternate place for it. One could be some random "war" and the other is the IW. Whichever floats your boat, and supports my theory best.
So for now;
TMC | FS - FSA | [IW]| OoT - MM | TP | [IW2?] | TWW - PH | ALttP - LA | LoZ - AoL | OoX

Ah, I see, then. Well, I personally put FSA right before LTTP, because of how uncannily similar the geography is, if you swing that way with theorization, and the whole Knights of Hyrule thing is set up quite nicely, and a bunch of other things. I just have a problem with putting things behind OOT.

[D~N]

Darn quuotes! thanks mate.


Alright, looks to me like I have some idea what I'm talking about. Here we go.

OoT - MM - [TP BS] | TP | TWW - PH -?-TMC | * FS -FSA | ALttP - LA | LoZ - AoL | OoX
*Ganon Reborn?

He's sealed in the adult timeline, but not in Link's Childhood.

In a different topic about TP's storyline, I've been discussing this a lot. It's come to my attention that it is possible that Ganondorf is sealed in the Child timeline, just seven years after. Thusly, my timeline reflects this with [TP BS], as that is how he is sealed, or so I have come to believe. If your curious as to what I'm talking about, go to that other TP topic, "TP storyline" i think it's called.


Four Swords in a better spot now? Oh, and I put -?- because I don't know how PH will end, but it looks like it would be an excelent lead-up-to TMC, no? It could be a different Link, or I could be wrong. But it would fit oh-so-nicely.

If this works, then this is the exact same timeline I had. >_< I hate irony. Well, I get it more now. The only thing left is where to put the IW.

Oh, and thanks, MPS for helping me sort this out. I did this whole shinanigan so I could 'kinda' uderstand the whole thing more clearly, and now I do. So now I can be a timeliner, w00t! Thanks for having patience with me.

Edited by D~N, 18 December 2006 - 08:20 PM.