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[Masamune]

So what's the deal with these guys. They created the Hylians or something? What's the deal with these dudes? Could they have ended up becoming the Rito?

This is the game's strangest addition, I have to say.

[D~N]

dude, I have no clue. But now that you brought it up, yes, I think they evolve into the Rito. I hadn't thought of that, but it does make sense. Where did these guys come from? I have no clue

But they do explain the Rito quite well, so let's go with that!

[Hero of Winds]

The Zoras evolved into Rito. Aonuma confirmed it himself.

As for the Ooccoo, I always interpreted that line as meaning that they were the first race created by the goddesses, and then the Hylians were created, followed by every other tribe. I didn't think that they were the literal creators of the Hylians, since that doesn't really make any sense.

[Mad Scrub]

The Ooccoo are weird. When I first heard mention of a city in the sky I instantly thought of the Wind Tribe of TMC (I think that's what they were called). I disappointed when I discovered it was inhabited by those bird things. They'll probably only appear in TP never to be mentioned again.

[Duke Serkol]

As for the Ooccoo, I always interpreted that line as meaning that they were the first race created by the goddesses, and then the Hylians were created, followed by every other tribe. I didn't think that they were the literal creators of the Hylians, since that doesn't really make any sense.

The one following you into dungeons says she recognizes the technology (??) in the Temple of Time as their own, so it could be that by "created the Hylians" the legend meant the Hylian civilization, not the Hylian race.

[coinilius]

The one following you into dungeons says she recognizes the technology (??) in the Temple of Time as their own, so it could be that by "created the Hylians" the legend meant the Hylian civilization, not the Hylian race.

Hey Duke, since you're posting in the spoiler section here, does this mean you've finished the game?

Also, I have to agree with Mad Scrub about getting my hopes up for the 'sky beings' to turn out to be the Wind Tribe - an advanced civilisation that moved on to a floating city in the sky? Seemed very Wind Tribe to me as well.

[Duke Serkol]

Yeah, I was about to PM you to let you know, but I fell asleep on the keyboard. Thankfully the PM containing eapihrngrslg was not sent.

Personally, I did not get my hopes up because I knew a connection with TMC, all the more one that would reinforce the little background of the Wind Tribe, was too good to be true.

And yet that dungeon managed to disappoint me anyway by being all futuristic with air vents and whanot. I do not enjoy guiding Link into exploring the USS Enterprise >_<
...but at least the boss fight was awesome.

And the Oocca are the first race in Zelda that I'm happy to get as little details as possible about.

Edited by Duke Serkol, 17 December 2006 - 10:54 AM.

[coinilius]

And the Oocca are the first race in Zelda that I'm happy to get as little details as possible about.

Ahh, I actually like the Oocca - they're just so strange, it works for me

As for the Wind Tribe thing - yeah, although I was dissapointed at there not being a connection, I was realistic enough not to get my hopes up to much... still, with all that talk about drak tribes being sealed in mirrors as well, it was sort of looking like FS series references could have been on the cards, however remote the chances...

EDIT: Going back to the point about the Ooccaa creating the Hylians and the one with you recognising the technology in the Temple of Time, doesn't Rusl say something about how the Temple of Time was built by the 'ancestors of the Hylians' and that there civilisation was ancient but very advanced? It seemed to imply that the Temple of Time was built by the Oocca... or am I confusing myself and that was about the City in the Sky?

Edited by coinilius, 18 December 2006 - 09:04 AM.

[SOAP]

I don't like them at all. They're stange but no in a good way. I can't find anything appealling or even logical about a race of of chickens with humanoid heads. I'll just pretend they'ree mutated Rito because I doubt beings that small and birdlike could have created a floating city in the sky.

[Duke Serkol]

Yeah, they don't even have thumbs. We had better assume they use both magic and technology, otherwise I'd be at a loss as to how they'd handle tools.

But since Coinilius mentioned Rusl talking about Hylians, I have a question for everybody.

I was too busy trying to inhale while I played the game, and could not focus on this detail but... do people in this game consider themselves Hyalians as in OoT? Or descendants of the Hyalians as in ALttP?

Edited by Duke Serkol, 18 December 2006 - 09:33 PM.

[Luigi of the Pipes]

It was a mix-up in Shad's notes. They're actually the ancestors of the Cuccoos.

...Perhaps!

[Hero of Legend]

I was too busy trying to inhale while I played the game, and could not focus on this detail but... do people in this game consider themselves Hyalians as in OoT?

If you mean "Hylians", then yes, they do. Shad also says the Hylians are the closest people to the gods, so there goes the whole "There aren't real Hylians in OoT" crap that people have been clamoring for a while now.

And as for the Oocca... I seriously believe Nintendo put that in there just to screw with the fans. I'll just ignore it for now and pray that Nintendo does the same.

[SOAP]

I'm very dissappointed in Nintendo. That was their chance to really tie TWW, TP, and and TMC together. Bad Nintendo! Go to the corner and think about what you've done.

[Duke Serkol]

It was a mix-up in Shad's notes. They're actually the ancestors of the Cuccoos.

...Perhaps!

If you mean "Hylians", then yes, they do. Shad also says the Hylians are the closest people to the gods, so there goes the whole "There aren't real Hylians in OoT" crap that people have been clamoring for a while now.

Yeah, nevermind the typo.
Where does this "no Hylians in OoT" thing come from? There was even one person in OoT who told you "We Hylians are supposed to hear messages of the Gods, but I never have" (not an exact quote).

Can you point me to any dialogues in TP that make it clear the people still call themselves Hylians? I didn't spot any, so I suppose Hyalins could already widely be considered as belonging to the past, like in ALttP.

[coinilius]

Yeah, nevermind the typo.
Where does this "no Hylians in OoT" thing come from? There was even one person in OoT who told you "We Hylians are supposed to hear messages of the Gods, but I never have" (not an exact quote).

Can you point me to any dialogues in TP that make it clear the people still call themselves Hylians? I didn't spot any, so I suppose Hyalins could already widely be considered as belonging to the past, like in ALttP.

I didin't know there were [img]http://forums.legendsalliance.com/public/ALOT.png[/img] of people saying they aren't real Hylians in OoT either - I know Luigi64 said they weren't, but that's because in his one-Link theory they had to be in the same time period as ALttP. I didn't know anyone was argueing for that sort of thing as well.

Also, I tracked down the quote of Rusl's from before the ToT and they were indeed implying the Oocca built it (the ToT), which is somewhat at odds with the Ancient Sages having built it in OoT.

[Hero of Legend]

Where does this "no Hylians in OoT" thing come from? There was even one person in OoT who told you "We Hylians are supposed to hear messages of the Gods, but I never have" (not an exact quote).

From that very quote, actually. See, people argue that because that guy has never heard the voices of the Gods, he cannot be a real Hylian. Of course, this is flawed logic, as one would assume the Gods do not speak to the people unless they have very strong reasons to do so (Such as the flood in TWW), but some people apparently don't care about little details like that.

Can you point me to any dialogues in TP that make it clear the people still call themselves Hylians? I didn't spot any, so I suppose Hyalins could already widely be considered as belonging to the past, like in ALttP.

Well, as I said, Shad refers to the Hylians as a race currently in existance. As for other quotes... Hmm... I believe one of the Oocca says "You're a Hylian, right? I can speak a little Hylian." when you first enter the shop in Sky City, and I'm sure there are people who speak of themselves as being Hylians. Hylians are definitely a specific race of humans though, so most people refer to themselves as being simply human.

Also, I tracked down the quote of Rusl's from before the ToT and they were indeed implying the Oocca built it (the ToT), which is somewhat at odds with the Ancient Sages having built it in OoT.

There is nothing saying the Oocca and the ancient Hylians couldn't have built it together, though.

Edited by Hero of Legend, 20 December 2006 - 04:49 PM.

[coinilius]

There is nothing saying the Oocca and the ancient Hylians couldn't have built it together, though.

I was actually thinking along the lines that maybe the Oocca designed it/conceptualised it and the Sages did the building or somethining like that The exact line is 'the ancestors of the Hylians created the temple... signs of their civilisation... ancient but very sophisticated... are everywhere.'

[SOAP]

Or maybe the Ancient Sages were all Oocca.

[coinilius]

Or maybe the Ancient Sages were all Oocca.

Doesn't Raura throw a bit of a spanner in that?

[Hero of Winds]

I was actually thinking along the lines that maybe the Oocca designed it/conceptualised it and the Sages did the building or somethining like that The exact line is 'the ancestors of the Hylians created the temple... signs of their civilisation... ancient but very sophisticated... are everywhere.'

I interpreted the "ancestors" bit as being the ancient Hylians (people from Rauru's time period), and not the Oocca.

[SOAP]

Doesn't Raura throw a bit of a spanner in that?

I don't even know what a spanner IS. And no. The ancient sages could be retconned as being Ooca the same way the sages who sealed Ganondorf up are retconned to be those... alien things. Though I really wished they never introduced the Ooca. This the first time I'm really against a new element in Zelda. I'd much rather have Tingle in TP than the Ooca. That's how much I detest them. *goes Oocca stomping*

Edited by SOAP, 20 December 2006 - 08:09 PM.

[coinilius]

Hero of Winds: Sorry, but to be blunt, that line about the ancestors of the Hylians is most definately talking about the Oocca and there technology. That's why Oocco recognises the technology of the Temple as belonging to her people. Rusl says something again after you finish the ToT as well about the ancestors of the Hylians. I don't mean to be rude or anything, but unless there's something I'm forgetting, there's no way for Rusl to be talking about anything other than the Oocca. But I could be forgetting something...

SOAP: Rauru says that 'Ages ago, we ancient Sages built the Temple of Time to protect the entrance to the Sacred Realm...' Last time I checked, Rauru wasn't an Oocca

EDIT: Oh, and a spanner is a wrench

Edited by coinilius, 21 December 2006 - 02:03 AM.

[Hero of Legend]

The ancient sages could be retconned as being Ooca the same way the sages who sealed Ganondorf up are retconned to be those... alien things.

Uh... Those are different sages, ya know. And its a different sealing, too.

I'd much rather have Tingle in TP than the Ooca.

Well, you've got them both (Yes, Tingle is in TP). Lucky you, eh?

Edited by Hero of Legend, 21 December 2006 - 07:37 AM.

[Duke Serkol]

Hmm... I believe one of the Oocca says "You're a Hylian, right? I can speak a little Hylian." when you first enter the shop in Sky City

Yeah, I remember that. By that time I was all hears for anything about Hylians, hoping that no one would repeat the blasphemy that the Oocca created them (and thankfully no one did since no one besides that shop bird talks to you in the whole city... whew).
However, seeing as these guys obviously don't come down to Hyrule very often, it could be that the Oocca thought Link was a Hylian, but was wrong about it (not that I necessarily believe that to be the case, but it's possible).

[Mad Scrub]

Well, you've got them both (Yes, Tingle is in TP). Lucky you, eh?

What!? Tingle isn't in TP is he!?

[SOAP]

I actually have never palyed. Just been spoiled the hell out of. But like I think in one of the earlier vids, there is a guy in Link's village that looks like Tingle, only dressed like a normal man. Maybe that's the guy.

[coinilius]

I actually have never palyed. Just been spoiled the hell out of. But like I think in one of the earlier vids, there is a guy in Link's village that looks like Tingle, only dressed like a normal man. Maybe that's the guy.

I'd say they're talking about the guy who runs the Star game in Castle Town - although it's never said what his name is in the game, he has a certain resembelance to Tingle, but doesn't seem like he's supposed to be an actual, full on Tingle like they normally do with the recycled characters (if that makes sense).

[SOAP]

They probably did that to be safe, incase it incurred the wrath of us "rabid fans" if they put a full-fleged Tingle. I think Nintendo even did a poll once, asking if fans would mind Tingle in TP.

[joeymartin64]

The STAR guy's name is Purlo. He sends you a letter at one point.