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[Arturo]

Why, because I don't think the same as you do? Or because my language skills are inferior to yours?

I back up my statements. These are the contradictions I spoke about:

[1]The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
[2] Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
[3] Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
[4] So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
[5] And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
[6] Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
[7] And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
[8] Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
[9] For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
[10] Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
[11] But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping

Oooooh big marvels!!!!! Mary the Magdalene is gone, but suddenly she is at the sepulchre!!!! Is it a contradiction and the writer forgot to say that Mary returned to the sepulchre or the book is right and Mary teleported?

[TheAvengerLever]

Why, because I don't think the same as you do? Or because my language skills are inferior to yours?

No, because you plainly have no idea what you're talking about.

Oooooh big marvels!!!!! Mary the Magdalene is gone, but suddenly she is at the sepulchre!!!! Is it a contradiction and the writer forgot to say that Mary returned to the sepulchre or the book is right and Mary teleported

No really. You plainly have no idea what you're talking about.

So I'll humor you.

First off, her name is Mary Magdalene, not Mary the Magdalene. (Though, her name means Mary of Magdala)

Secondly, I think anyone who read those verses would conclude that Mary followed the disciples back to the tomb, not teleported. So it really isn't a contradiction (which I still don't think you know what one is.)

Ooooh, big marvels.

Edited by TheAvengerButton, 03 October 2006 - 03:57 PM.

[Korhend]

Watch the tone AvengerButton. Consider that a warning.

[Wolf O'Donnell]

What I'd like to point out is that this topic is discussing the Rapture, so the only topics that should be discussed are those parts of the Bible that suggest a belief in the Rapture.

As the Bible clearly doesn't have one single human author, trying to point out the fallacies in one part of the Bible does not disprove the entire thing.

[Arturo]

No, because you plainly have no idea what you're talking about.
No really. You plainly have no idea what you're talking about.

So I'll humor you.

First off, her name is Mary Magdalene, not Mary the Magdalene. (Though, her name means Mary of Magdala)

Secondly, I think anyone who read those verses would conclude that Mary followed the disciples back to the tomb, not teleported. So it really isn't a contradiction (which I still don't think you know what one is.)

Ooooh, big marvels.

Oxford Dictionary

Contradiction: a combination of statements, ideas, or features which are opposed to one another.

If in the Bible first says that Mary Magdalene went to Simon Peter's and after that, it just said that she remained at the tomb, it's a contradiction: she either went or stayed.

I know perfectly what I am talking about.
First, I call her Mary the Magdalene just because I am not English and wasn't really thinking how it should be named. In Spanish we call her either María Magdalena (Mary Magdalene) or María la Magdalena (Mary the Magdalene) and even "la Magdalena". I thought you called her Mary the Magdalene also, because, after all, Magdalene just means "from Magdala" in the same way Spanish means "from Spain" and so on. It's just a simple linguistic mistake. It's not nice laughing at others people's language skills when he/she is not speaking in his/her mother language. I could critisize your Spanish perfectly. But I wouldn't if there was an opportunity. Just because it's not nice.


And you are clearly missing my point. I only said that the Bible is not perfect, and contains many examples of contradictions. And I showed this as I could have shown any other. It's evident that Mary Magdalene didn't teleport to Jesus' tomb. We must assume that she came back to the tomb (though there's also another Da Vinci Code-ish explanation), because it's not in the Bible, though it's the most logical thing.

And, going back to Genesis, we clearly see another contradiction, because after on the 2nd chapter it's said:

"18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air"

While on the first chapter it says that God created man AND WOMAN after he created the animals, not before.

[TheAvengerLever]

Oxford Dictionary

Contradiction: a combination of statements, ideas, or features which are opposed to one another.

Yet these verses show no contradiction. It doesn't say that she decided to stay at Simon Peter's house. It just says she went to tell Simon Peter about what happened. She followed them back. No contradiction.

If in the Bible first says that Mary Magdalene went to Simon Peter's and after that, it just said that she remained at the tomb, it's a contradiction: she either went or stayed.

But it doesn't say that.

First, I call her Mary the Magdalene just because I am not English and wasn't really thinking how it should be named. In Spanish we call her either María Magdalena (Mary Magdalene) or María la Magdalena (Mary the Magdalene) and even "la Magdalena". I thought you called her Mary the Magdalene also, because, after all, Magdalene just means "from Magdala" in the same way Spanish means "from Spain" and so on. It's just a simple linguistic mistake. It's not nice laughing at others people's language skills when he/she is not speaking in his/her mother language. I could critisize your Spanish perfectly. But I wouldn't if there was an opportunity. Just because it's not nice.

It happens. So, sorry.

And you are clearly missing my point. I only said that the Bible is not perfect, and contains many examples of contradictions. And I showed this as I could have shown any other. It's evident that Mary Magdalene didn't teleport to Jesus' tomb. We must assume that she came back to the tomb (though there's also another Da Vinci Code-ish explanation), because it's not in the Bible, though it's the most logical thing.

Information like where Mary goes doesn't have to be in the Bible if it's not important. If Mary ran to tell the disciples about Jesus and then a few verses later we see her back at the tomb, me immediately assume she just followed them back there. That's how it is. But you were arguing that it was a contradiction when it clearly wasn't.

And, going back to Genesis, we clearly see another contradiction, because after on the 2nd chapter it's said:

"18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air"

While on the first chapter it says that God created man AND WOMAN after he created the animals, not before.

It just depends on how you look at it. People can look at it and say that the animals had been created before and that's what it's trying to say in that verse. People can look at it and brand it a contradiction. It's another case of what you believe. There's never going to be a clear way to look at the Bible and it's contradictions, because in the end it's all going to boil down to your personal beliefs.

Edited by TheAvengerButton, 04 October 2006 - 03:55 PM.

[Goose]

Just one note.

Faith is a matter of the heart. Not the head. Your never going to be able to logically argue whether the Bible is accurate. Its the message thats in the bible that matters. I believe in what the bible says. Im not going to shove it down other peoples throats. Being a christian is about having a personal and intimate relationship with God.

Now you can all get back to the arguing.

[Ransom]

I know perfectly what I am talking about.
First, I call her Mary the Magdalene just because I am not English and wasn't really thinking how it should be named. In Spanish we call her either María Magdalena (Mary Magdalene) or María la Magdalena (Mary the Magdalene) and even "la Magdalena". I thought you called her Mary the Magdalene also, because, after all, Magdalene just means "from Magdala" in the same way Spanish means "from Spain" and so on. It's just a simple linguistic mistake. It's not nice laughing at others people's language skills when he/she is not speaking in his/her mother language. I could critisize your Spanish perfectly. But I wouldn't if there was an opportunity. Just because it's not nice.

by the way arturo. you speak really good english despite it not being your mother tongue.
now i will just go back and join the inferior number of languages club.

Just one note.

Faith is a matter of the heart. Not the head. Your never going to be able to logically argue whether the Bible is accurate. Its the message thats in the bible that matters. I believe in what the bible says. Im not going to shove it down other peoples throats. Being a christian is about having a personal and intimate relationship with God.

Now you can all get back to the arguing.

yes. amen.

[TheAvengerLever]

Going back to the topic, a lot of people argue that the Book of Revelations that predicts the End Times and the Antichrist. Those people should read the following:

2nd Thessalonians 2:3 and onward until the information is read.

Mark 15:5 and onward until THAT information is read.

Romans 15:11

and 1st Thessalonians 4:16 and onward until THAT information is read.