[Hylian Dan]

Wolf_ODonnell said:

If you think that's phallic, then I shudder to think what penises you've been looking at.

I blame my english class, since we've been looking for (and finding) sexual subtext in stories all last year.
Anyways, Nintendo wouldn't make it ridiculously obvious. The top part is what gives it away. Those designs are unlike any other architexture in the Stone Tower. And if the pillars aren't supposed to be phallic, then the pointing hand doesn't have a reason to be there, especially so early in development.

Duke Serkol said:

I too was thinking something like that. I mean, that in many cultures the tongue would be revered as it allows us to communicate (so placing a religious icon over it could either signify a wish to speak to the gods or that speech was a gift by the gods) and that in some even the crotch could easily be associated to positive religious symbols as it allows us to perpetuate ourselves (and have a great time doing it too).

The pillar may not be intended as a phallus and the statues may not be mocking the Triforce (which I still don't buy, because it simply is not reverant to place that image on the bottom of those Stone Tower blocks). The thing is, you have to take both those instances into account, because they both seem to send out a potentially blasphemic message. I really don't think it's a total coincidence.

Wolf_ODonnell said:

Who said? How can you prove it?

I'm sorry if I sound a bit angry, but I just came over from a forum where I had to debate against a guy that insists on making his religion (which just happened to be Christianity) the centre of everything. It just boils my blood when people insist on putting a religious spin on things when there isn't any reason to do so.

I can understand that. What happened was I suddenly noticed a bunch of possible Biblical parallels in MM which caused me to see a bunch of new layers to the story. It's not uncommon for stories to allude to Biblical tales, so it's not like I'm trying to shove Christianity down everyone's throat. But even if you don't think there are any Biblical ties in MM, the theory I presented still makes sense, fits the evidence, adds more depth to the story, clears up ambiguity, and fits the general theme of healing which is so prominent in MM.

I'm not trying to prove this, because it can't be done unless Nintendo magically confirms it. All the evidence I've brought up could really be meaningless, as everyone's rightly pointed out, but I'm reluctant to believe that Nintendo made MM's backstory ambiguous just for the sake of being ambiguous. I really think this dark layer I've uncovered was meant to be there.

For instance, my evidence that Twinmold's lair was once Majora's prison is the fact that there are designs of the mask plastered over all the ruins, that it's logical to assume that the Stone Tower builders found that desert and built those ruins, and that it's an alternate realm like the field with the tree. Or the mask symbol could be there for the same reason the crescent moon and star were plastered all over Hyrule in OoT. These things are all either weird nonsense the developers threw in, or they're hidden clues to the deep dark secret of MM. Considering that MM was designed to be a mystery, as Mr. Miyamoto pointed out in Nintendo Power, I think this stuff deserves closer examination than unexplained stuff in a more straightforward game like OoT.

[Duke Serkol]

The funny thing is, when I first came to the tower, I wasn't bothered by the hand's pointing up per se (it's a tower so naturally everything is pointed upwards, I should know, I had just finished climbing to the top that's the key direction for both builders and visitors) rather what I kept asking myself was... where the heck is the second hand? Down in a giant stone pocket?

Anyway, it does make sense for the Triforce to be on the bottom of the blocks, because that's the part only a selected few get to see (I understand you assume the tower was not built with its eventual being flipped in mind... but I do not)

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[MikePetersSucks]

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The important parallel I'm trying to draw is that both towers were built to defy God/the goddesses, and God/the goddesses foiled those plans in a dramatic way. God made every man speak a different language, and the goddesses flipped everything upside down.

No, they were not.

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In almost any good mystery, the major clues are placed so that the audience will dismiss or overlook them.

There's a difference between a mystery and pulling some completely unfounded shit out of your ass.

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... Somehow you find it more believable that the people who built the Stone Tower had the power to turn the universe upside down?

The Goddesses didn't make the Stone Tower.

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You get to the field with the tree by going up. You get to the desert by going down. That part of my theory still fits the mythology the game provides.

Or north and south. Fuck me in the Ozarks.

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That doesn't contradict my theory. I said the mask was sealed in the desert after being created by an ancient tribe.

Yes it does. You said Majora's Mask was a demon from hell.

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I blame my english class, since we've been looking for (and finding) sexual subtext in stories all last year.
Anyways, Nintendo wouldn't make it ridiculously obvious. The top part is what gives it away. Those designs are unlike any other architexture in the Stone Tower. And if the pillars aren't supposed to be phallic, then the pointing hand doesn't have a reason to be there, especially so early in development.

You can FIND anything you want. Doesn't mean it was intended or supported by the authors. People take Harry Potter and find "evidence" that Harry Potter is spiritually raping our children, and I could find "evidence" that Catcher in the Rye supports abortion. Obviously neither of these claims fit within context of the stories, are supported, or even plausible.

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Occams_razor

[coinilius]

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and that in some even the crotch could easily be associated to positive religious symbols as it allows us to perpetuate ourselves (and have a great time doing it too).

Wolf hits on a good point here as well - the phallus does not always have negative connotations, and neither does blatantly displayed crotches in mythological symbolism. The split tailed mermaid, for instance (the Starbucks logo) is suggestive of the vagina and female sexual imagery:

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Sheila-na-gig is a general reference to female figures that prominently display their genitalia to signify the power of female sexuality and fertility. These images are also quite prominent in the decoration of sacred sites in general and are thought to be a legacy of the older Goddess religions whose holy sites were usually taken over by later religions. The shape of the genitalia in these squatting figures is also symbolic of the vesica piscis, the "vessel of the fish," which is also associated with Christ.

Phallic symbols are also connected to fertility and male generative powers.

[Hylian Dan]

MikePetersSucks said:

The Goddesses didn't make the Stone Tower.

I never said they did.

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Yes it does. You said Majora's Mask was a demon from hell.

I'll quote the first thing I said about this:

Myself said:

in hell there was a being that had been sealed away during a previous age

MikePetersSucks said:

You can FIND anything you want. Doesn't mean it was intended or supported by the authors. People take Harry Potter and find "evidence" that Harry Potter is spiritually raping our children, and I could find "evidence" that Catcher in the Rye supports abortion. Obviously neither of these claims fit within context of the stories, are supported, or even plausible.

So why do people even bother analyzing literature? I have no way of knowing if my theory was intended by the writers, as I've said, but I brought it up because I think there's a good chance that it was. It is plausible, even if it's not true, it does fit the context and themes of the story (since it would mean Termina itself needed healing), and evidence from the game supports it, although as everyone has pointed out there's a good chance I'm overanalyzing said evidence. But I've already explained why I'm taking that chance.

coinilius said:

Wolf hits on a good point here as well - the phallus does not always have negative connotations, and neither does blatantly displayed crotches in mythological symbolism.

Duke Serkol said:

Anyway, it does make sense for the Triforce to be on the bottom of the blocks, because that's the part only a selected few get to see (I understand you assume the tower was not built with its eventual being flipped in mind... but I do not)

Good points. Still, if the ancient Terminians worshipped the goddesses, why do modern Terminians seem to know nothing about them? I still think the implicit meaning is that the goddesses were mocked, but I can see why you disagree now.

[Duke Serkol]

...wolf?

Hylian Dan, on Aug 25 2006, 01:47 AM, said:

Good points. Still, if the ancient Terminians worshipped the goddesses, why do modern Terminians seem to know nothing about them? I still think the implicit meaning is that the goddesses were mocked, but I can see why you disagree now.

I guess all knowledge of the Triforce and anything related could have been wiped out together with the Ikanians (and whatever tribe the Garo came from)

[coinilius]

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...wolf?

Sorry Duke, that was a typo... I was quoting you, but reading Wolf's posts as well and attributed the wrong name to the quote

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[Wolf O'Donnell]

Hylian Dan, on Aug 24 2006, 05:02 PM, said:

I blame my english class, since we've been looking for (and finding) sexual subtext in stories all last year.

Oh don't get me started on that. Wordsworth's poems were so full of the stuff I can't read his poems anymore without bursting out into hysterical laughter... The dirty bugger.

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And if the pillars aren't supposed to be phallic, then the pointing hand doesn't have a reason to be there, especially so early in development.

Of course they have a reason. The pointing hand points to Heaven to remind them of where their gods/goddesses were. It's like the guy that chose the Christmas tree, because he thought its shape (which pointed upwards) would remind them of Heaven or some such nonsense.

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The pillar may not be intended as a phallus and the statues may not be mocking the Triforce (which I still don't buy, because it simply is not reverant to place that image on the bottom of those Stone Tower blocks).

They're not very bottom and if you remember the Pedestal, the Triforce is placed pretty much near the bottom too.

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I can understand that. What happened was I suddenly noticed a bunch of possible Biblical parallels in MM which caused me to see a bunch of new layers to the story. It's not uncommon for stories to allude to Biblical tales, so it's not like I'm trying to shove Christianity down everyone's throat.

But it is uncommon for a Japanese company to allude to Biblical tales. Don't forget that the Babylonian flood myth is a lot older than the Biblical one, and the former may have inspired the latter. Just because there are parallels from something in the game to Biblical myths, does not mean that it is the Biblical myth that inspired it.

Take that Golden Age stuff stated in the ALttP manual. Many other cultures also had golden age myths, not just the Bible.

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But even if you don't think there are any Biblical ties in MM, the theory I presented still makes sense, fits the evidence, adds more depth to the story, clears up ambiguity, and fits the general theme of healing which is so prominent in MM.

It does no such thing. It provides another reason other than the one stated in the story. Termina was doomed because Majora's Mask was an evil entity created by an evil tribe that just liked to cause chaos and destruction. Simple.

Occam's Razor applies best here. You're just adding extra layers to the story that don't really need to be there. Sure, they can make sense, but they don't need to be there.

[MikePetersSucks]

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So why do people even bother analyzing literature? I have no way of knowing if my theory was intended by the writers, as I've said, but I brought it up because I think there's a good chance that it was. It is plausible, even if it's not true, it does fit the context and themes of the story (since it would mean Termina itself needed healing), and evidence from the game supports it, although as everyone has pointed out there's a good chance I'm overanalyzing said evidence. But I've already explained why I'm taking that chance.

As I said, there's a difference between something like drawing symbolism about hypocrisy and maturity out of Catcher in the Rye, and then pulling bullshit like a metaphor for necrophilia in His Dark Materials.

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Good points. Still, if the ancient Terminians worshipped the goddesses, why do modern Terminians seem to know nothing about them? I still think the implicit meaning is that the goddesses were mocked, but I can see why you disagree now.

No one ever said they worshipped the goddesses, and even so, it doesn't mean anything. The Ancient Egyptians had their own rich mythology, but now it's a Muslim state.

[Hylian Dan]

Fyxe said:

Someone saying 'he sold his soul to the devil' hardly means that a devil actually exists. It's just a common saying.

Wolf ODonnell said:

There's nothing to suggest that Majora is the devil

Flat said Sharp sold his soul to the devil, and Sharp said he dreamt of the revival of the Royal Family, implying that he is responsible for the curse that made them undead. And it was a "masked one" who opened the gates to the Stone Tower, cursing Ikana. So the game does suggest that Majora is the devil.

I realized I can prove my claim that the same goddesses watch over both Hyrule and Termina. Zelda prayed to the Goddess of Time while in Hyrule, and that Goddess of Time aided Link while he was in Termina. Taking that into account, I don't think everyone should be so quick to dismiss the points I've made about the blasphemy and the rainbow.

This post has been edited by Hylian Dan: 28 August 2006 - 07:51 PM

[Jumbie]

Hylian Dan, on Aug 29 2006, 02:50 AM, said:

I realized I can prove my claim that the same goddesses watch over both Hyrule and Termina. Zelda prayed to the Goddess of Time while in Hyrule, and that Goddess of Time aided Link while he was in Termina.

Wow, that's quite a revelation to me! Honestly, it's one of those tiny things that one seems to have been aware of, but thinking about it, actually hasn't. To me it has always been clear that the Goddess of Time is Nayru - firstly since the Oracle of Ages is called Nayru, secondly since Nayru is the Goddess that created the laws of nature, among those being time - but you're right, since she is believed to exist in Termina too, this must mean the same Three Goddesses watch over all the parallel worlds and timelines!
However, what is the purpose of the Four Giants, then..?

[Wolf O'Donnell]

Hylian Dan, on Aug 29 2006, 01:50 AM, said:

Flat said Sharp sold his soul to the devil, and Sharp said he dreamt of the revival of the Royal Family, implying that he is responsible for the curse that made them undead. And it was a "masked one" who opened the gates to the Stone Tower, cursing Ikana. So the game does suggest that Majora is the devil.

That's rather circular thinking. Let's break down your comment and analyse each part, shall we?

1. Flat said Sharp sold his soul to the Devil, which is a phrase. That's not to say that Sharp actually did.
2. Sharp dreamt of the revival of the Royal Family. That does not necessarily mean the blood lineage. That could mean the Institution of the Royal Family. There could be members of the Royal Family outside of Ikana, no matter how distant they are.
3. It says a "Masked One" opened the gates to the Stone Tower, which implies that Majora opened the gates. However, that does not imply that Majora IS the devil, because the only thing that implies that is what Flat says and what Flat says may not be entirely true.

Anything he sees as evil, he would say is the Devil.

Just look at the Christian fundamentalists and what they say. Atheists are Satanists. Osama is the Devil. ACLU is the devil etc. etc. Heck, look at what some of the Arabic Muslims say. The USA is the devil, according to them.

Just because somebody said that was the devil, does not mean they were being literal.

Even so, this still doesn't prove that Termina was destined to be doomed.

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I realized I can prove my claim that the same goddesses watch over both Hyrule and Termina. Zelda prayed to the Goddess of Time while in Hyrule, and that Goddess of Time aided Link while he was in Termina. Taking that into account, I don't think everyone should be so quick to dismiss the points I've made about the blasphemy and the rainbow.

The only problem, of course, being that Nayru is never credited as being the Goddess of Time. Goddess of Wisodm, perhaps. Even God of Wisdom. But Goddess of Time? Nope.

[Jumbie]

Wolf_ODonnell, on Aug 29 2006, 01:39 PM, said:

It says a "Masked One" opened the gates to the Stone Tower, which implies that Majora opened the gates.

Majora? It rather refers to the Skull Kid wearing Majora's Mask who has gone on a rampage lately. Skull Kid wreaked havoc in all four directions, always in the vicinity of where a Giant slept, so it's no surprise that he came to the Stone Tower as well. Thus, the connection between Majora - Stone Tower can only be based on the recent plot of MM, not on a backstory involving the independent demon Majora.

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The only problem, of course, being that Nayru is never credited as being the Goddess of Time. Goddess of Wisodm, perhaps. Even God of Wisdom. But Goddess of Time? Nope.

Wait, you've quoted Hylian Dan, but he didn't mention Nayru. It was me who draw the conclusion. And actually, from my last post you can see why the Goddess of Time must be another nickname for the Goddess of Wisdom. Looking at Greek mythology, it's very common to give Goddesses multiple descriptive names.
What you could add as well is the relation of Princess Zelda to Goddess Nayru. Zelda has the Triforce of Wisdom, and reveals herself to Link as a Sage in the Temple of Time (which has led many fans to call her the "Sage of Time"). Indeed, how she sends Link back to the past is a quite impressive management of the powers of time..

[The Zol]

Jumbie the purpose of the Giants is stated in the game, they are the creators and guardians of the four worlds.

Your theory about the goddess of time being the goddess of wisdom is pure fan fiction. You are only drawing conclusions from other fan assumptions such as Zelda being the Sage of Time.

Again I ask, why make the Zelda world smaller than it actually is?

[Hylian Dan]

Jumbie said:

To me it has always been clear that the Goddess of Time is Nayru - firstly since the Oracle of Ages is called Nayru, secondly since Nayru is the Goddess that created the laws of nature, among those being time

The Zol said:

Your theory about the goddess of time being the goddess of wisdom is pure fan fiction. You are only drawing conclusions from other fan assumptions such as Zelda being the Sage of Time.

To me it seems like he was drawing his conclusions from common sense. The Goddess of Time absolutely exists, otherwise the Song of Time wouldn't have saved Link.
Nayru created the laws of the universe, so it's more reasonable to assume that she is referred to as the Goddess of Time than it is to assume that there's a fourth goddess. Every goddess has her signature color, and Nayru's is blue. The color associated with time is also blue. If the Goddess of Time isn't Nayru, why doesn't she get her own color?

There is a Goddess of Time, and there is more evidence to suggest that she is Nayru than to suggest that she is a fourth goddess.

But that still doesn't affect my point that there is proof that the same goddesses watch over both Hyrule and Termina.

Wolf ODonnell said:

That's rather circular thinking. Let's break down your comment and analyse each part, shall we?

1. Flat said Sharp sold his soul to the Devil, which is a phrase. That's not to say that Sharp actually did.
2. Sharp dreamt of the revival of the Royal Family. That does not necessarily mean the blood lineage. That could mean the Institution of the Royal Family. There could be members of the Royal Family outside of Ikana, no matter how distant they are.

The backstory of the Ikana stage was confusing. However, the evidence the game presents leads to the conclusion that Sharp brought about the curse by making a deal with one wearing Majora's Mask.
For the record, Sharp probably composed the Elgey of Emptiness, since he told Link that he was the only one who knew the way into the temple.

Jumbie said:

Majora? It rather refers to the Skull Kid wearing Majora's Mask who has gone on a rampage lately. Skull Kid wreaked havoc in all four directions, always in the vicinity of where a Giant slept, so it's no surprise that he came to the Stone Tower as well. Thus, the connection between Majora - Stone Tower can only be based on the recent plot of MM, not on a backstory involving the independent demon Majora.

Why couldn't Majora return to the Stone Tower while the Skull Kid wore its mask? It's clear that when the gates to the tower were opened, evil poured out from within the temple. Maybe the evil filled the tower when the portal to the desert realm was first opened, so the ancients sealed its gates after taking the mask from it. Ages later, Majora's Mask reopened the gates.

Wolf ODonnell said:

Even so, this still doesn't prove that Termina was destined to be doomed.

There already is proof of that. Kaepora Gaebora tells you about Termina's destiny to fade.

This post has been edited by Hylian Dan: 29 August 2006 - 04:47 PM

[MikePetersSucks]

Kaepora Gaebora has always spoken in metaphors. This is no different. It's only "destined" to be destroyed because Majora's actions are unstoppable until Link does something about it.

Now tell me, if the Goddesses were trying to punish Termina by destroying it, why do they let Link both go to Termina and use the Song of Time to fix ALL damage caused?

[Hylian Dan]

MikePetersSucks said:

Now tell me, if the Goddesses were trying to punish Termina by destroying it, why do they let Link both go to Termina and use the Song of Time to fix ALL damage caused?

Because the goddesses wanted Termina to have a chance to be healed so that its destruction wouldn't be necessary.

[The Zol]

Hylian Dan you say fourth Goddess as if their are only three, from playing all the different Zelda games I get the impression that the Zelda world has a vast pantheon, Unless you are claim that all those deities are also just different interpretations of the three triforce makers.

Your evidence assumes that the Goddess of Time would be on the same level as the three triforce goddesses. Pantheons can have hierarchies. The Goddess of Time might be a lower diety and not have a color.

You are also assuming that Time was one of the things Nayru created. The game says she created spirit and law in Hyrule, it mentions nothing about time.

Also think about this, the oracle of seasons has nothing to do with the goddess of power other than name and the oracle of secrets has nothing to do with the goddess courage other than name. Why assume that the Oracle of ages has somthing to do with the goddess of wisdom other than name?

[Fyxe]

That is indeed true. If the Oracles' powers were based on their respective goddesses, Din should actually be Naryu (as she created natural laws and therefore the seasons), and Naryu could possibly be Din (as she began (creating time) the whole business by creating the solid world).

The Goddess of Time is almost certainly a seperate diety. It may not even exist, as such. The goddesses as a trio may have answered Link's call but people attibute it to the so-called 'Goddess of Time'.

[Wolf O'Donnell]

What you fail to remember is the Wind Waker, which shows at least two other gods. There aren't just the three. There are far more. I've always thought of the Giant as god-like creatures too, because that is what the game implies.

[Arturo]

And the goddess of sand in OoT:

Sheik:

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One inside a goddess of the sand...

I know he's speaking about the Spirit Temple, but it must have been modelled after someone.

[MikePetersSucks]

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Because the goddesses wanted Termina to have a chance to be healed so that its destruction wouldn't be necessary.

If there's a chance, then it's not "Destined" in the literal sense your theory demands in order to work. Either the Goddesses wanted Termina to be destroyed and Link is a blasphemous sinner that's gonna burn in hell, or your theory is a bunch of horsecrap via Occam's Razor and the story is no more than an evil monster trying to destroy the world like in every Zelda game.

[SL the Pyro]

*Insert "Zing!" acknowledgement sound here.* Brutal... but truth to say, you have a point.

[Wolf O'Donnell]

You see, the thing is, why on Earth would the story be anything other than evil monster wants to conquer/destroy the world? It's been that way for every single other Zelda game, except for Zelda II, where it's more along the lines of Ganon wants to come back to life.

If it hasn't been, collect three items to free the Master Sword, awaken the sages and defeat Ganon... It's been defeat this generic monster that's causing a lot of trouble, by collecting eight or so magical items.

Face it, the story hasn't changed much for every Zelda game in existence.

[MikePetersSucks]

Three-way Pwnage.

[Hylian Dan]

MikePetersSucks said:

Three-way Pwnage.

You think none of that stuff ever occurred to me before?

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If there's a chance, then it's not "Destined" in the literal sense your theory demands in order to work.

Rather, my theory insists that Kaepora Gaebora wasn't babbling on about nonsense when he said Termina was doomed to fade and later when he said that it was perhaps possible for Link to change the destiny of the world.

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Either the Goddesses wanted Termina to be destroyed and Link is a blasphemous sinner that's gonna burn in hell, or your theory is a bunch of horsecrap via Occam's Razor and the story is no more than an evil monster trying to destroy the world like in every Zelda game.

Or, there may actually be some merit to some of the Biblical connections I've proposed, and Link is actually a Christ-like figure, representing a part of the Triforce as Christ is part of the Trinity, entering a sinful world and saving it from a devil in three days as a parallel to the story of Christ. Or it's just about a monster trying to destroy the world, as you said.

Fyxe said:

The Goddess of Time is almost certainly a seperate diety.

Almost certainly? What evidence makes that so certain? Jumbie and I have already provided evidence that would indicate the opposite, and the arguments posted aren't making me revoke this statement:

Myself said:

there is more evidence to suggest that she is Nayru than to suggest that she is a fourth goddess

Furthermore, this argument is largely irrelevant to the point I was making, that there is proof that the goddesses watch over both Hyrule and Termina.

Even so, I didn't set out to prove my theory in the first place. I offered it as a plausible explanation for a large part of the backstory of MM for people to consider. As I've stated, I'm aware that I may be overanalyzing things, but since it all fits together and is supported by elements in the game, I think it's worth investigating. If you think this is all pointless because of the Occam's Razor logic, then fine, but I don't agree.

Wolf ODonnell said:

You see, the thing is, why on Earth would the story be anything other than evil monster wants to conquer/destroy the world? It's been that way for every single other Zelda game, except for Zelda II, where it's more along the lines of Ganon wants to come back to life.

If it hasn't been, collect three items to free the Master Sword, awaken the sages and defeat Ganon... It's been defeat this generic monster that's causing a lot of trouble, by collecting eight or so magical items.

Face it, the story hasn't changed much for every Zelda game in existence.

The structure of the storyline hasn't changed too much, but the storytelling has certainly evolved quite a bit in MM and TWW. I enjoy looking at different possible layers to the stories of those games rather than dismissing them as simple and generic just because of the stories' structures.

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[The Zol]

Why do you think the game creators come up with a complex story behind their standard "Monster threatens world" but not mention that story in the game at all other than the small clues that require interpretation?

This applies to the Goddess of Time being the Goddess of Wisdom. If the game creators had intended for them to be the same, why would they mention them as being different beings?

[Wolf O'Donnell]

Hylian Dan, on Sep 1 2006, 01:12 AM, said:

Or, there may actually be some merit to some of the Biblical connections I've proposed, and Link is actually a Christ-like figure, representing a part of the Triforce as Christ is part of the Trinity, entering a sinful world and saving it from a devil in three days as a parallel to the story of Christ. Or it's just about a monster trying to destroy the world, as you said.

The only thing is that you fail to prove that the world was sinful. After all, the people who built the things you said were sinful, are long dead. You haven't proven that the other people were responsible or even descended from the Ikanans.

So all you're saying is that the people are being punished for something that someone else did. That makes no sense.

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Almost certainly? What evidence makes that so certain? Jumbie and I have already provided evidence that would indicate the opposite, and the arguments posted aren't making me revoke this statement:
Furthermore, this argument is largely irrelevant to the point I was making, that there is proof that the goddesses watch over both Hyrule and Termina.

You have provided no proof. You've only provided speculation.

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The structure of the storyline hasn't changed too much, but the storytelling has certainly evolved quite a bit in MM and TWW. I enjoy looking at different possible layers to the stories of those games rather than dismissing them as simple and generic just because of the stories' structures.

How has the storytelling changed? What has that got to do with anything?

[Ransom]

haha - so many cynics in the crowd. Excellent work dan, i love this kinda conspiracy crap!

[MikePetersSucks]

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Rather, my theory insists that Kaepora Gaebora wasn't babbling on about nonsense when he said Termina was doomed to fade and later when he said that it was perhaps possible for Link to change the destiny of the world.

Which is what I've said before, but you shot it down and used it as your evidence that the GODS conspired to destroy Termina instead of some possessed Stalkid.

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Or, there may actually be some merit to some of the Biblical connections I've proposed, and Link is actually a Christ-like figure, representing a part of the Triforce as Christ is part of the Trinity, entering a sinful world and saving it from a devil in three days as a parallel to the story of Christ. Or it's just about a monster trying to destroy the world, as you said.

Yea...except Link isn't like, Farore's virgin son or something. And if you're gonna take EVERY OTHER biblical allegory literally (An upside down universe?) Then this has to be taken literal, too.

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Even so, I didn't set out to prove my theory in the first place. I offered it as a plausible explanation for a large part of the backstory of MM for people to consider. As I've stated, I'm aware that I may be overanalyzing things, but since it all fits together and is supported by elements in the game, I think it's worth investigating. If you think this is all pointless because of the Occam's Razor logic, then fine, but I don't agree.

But it's NOT plausible.

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plau‧si‧ble
–adjective
1. having an appearance of truth or reason; seemingly worthy of approval or acceptance; credible; believable: a plausible excuse; a plausible plot.
2. well-spoken and apparently, but often deceptively, worthy of confidence or trust: a plausible commentator.

You just wiped your ass with a bible and taped an MM cartridge to it, basically.

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The structure of the storyline hasn't changed too much, but the storytelling has certainly evolved quite a bit in MM and TWW. I enjoy looking at different possible layers to the stories of those games rather than dismissing them as simple and generic just because of the stories' structures.

....erm....no....it's not?